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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMoose View Post
    New From Inland Mfg: M1 Carbine Pistol - The Truth About Guns

    12 Inch M1 carbine based "pistol" with brace and threaded muzzle, pistol grip, and all the rails you can want. To come out in 2018.
    Still only 5.5 pounds.

    Also, due to the resurgence of 30 Carbine. IMI is rumored to be bringing over the MAGAL rifle. This is a Galil based carbine that is chambered in 30 carbine you guys will surely go nuts over.

    Sorry guys, the new Ruger PC9 is a heavy pig that fires weaker round. And I won't even mention the fiddly parts and tool laiden field strip of the Ruger. It's going to the dustbin of history like the original just as soon as the Ruger fanboy craze is over.

    Also. The bigger point. There are AR carbines lighter then this thing!

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    Not a Ruger fanboy. The concept of having minimal calibers and interchangeable magazines is the heart of it's likely popularity. The ammo is cheap, comparatively light, and readily available. The possibility of having it in a back pack, ready to throw on your back and bug out makes it a great idea. If your EDC already uses a compatible mag you are prepared for short or long shots.

    Now, on the other hand. there are few firearms chambered in 30 carbine. If you pay the big bucks to get the new pistol, you will have a compatible combo. Will that pistol be your EDC, as is the case with many of the folk who are looking at this? The ammo is much heavier and not nearly as ubiquitous, so you will have to depend mostly on your stash.

    My setup as stated before is centered around the 1911 .45 ACP. The ammo Compared to the 9mm it is heavy, bulky, expensive, and rare. I love my combo, but it also has the drawback of being NJ and CA compliant as far as mag capacity.

    For someone with preparedness in mind, this new rifle is a great possibility.
    Originally Posted by hoosierdoc

    There's no other logical point other than confiscation.

    When patients go into vfib and die you have minutes to shock them and save them. Ambulances often take too long. So geniuses said "let's make AEDs and put them everywhere". Now citizens can act as first responders and save lives.

    Armed citizens are the AEDs for active shooters



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    Quote Originally Posted by blue falcon View Post
    Not a Ruger fanboy. The concept of having minimal calibers and interchangeable magazines is the heart of it's likely popularity. The ammo is cheap, comparatively light, and readily available. The possibility of having it in a back pack, ready to throw on your back and bug out makes it a great idea. If your EDC already uses a compatible mag you are prepared for short or long shots.

    Now, on the other hand. there are few firearms chambered in 30 carbine. If you pay the big bucks to get the new pistol, you will have a compatible combo. Will that pistol be your EDC, as is the case with many of the folk who are looking at this? The ammo is much heavier and not nearly as ubiquitous, so you will have to depend mostly on your stash.

    My setup as stated before is centered around the 1911 .45 ACP. The ammo Compared to the 9mm it is heavy, bulky, expensive, and rare. I love my combo, but it also has the drawback of being NJ and CA compliant as far as mag capacity.

    For someone with preparedness in mind, this new rifle is a great possibility.
    speaking of .30 carbine ammo, can you buy anything but FMJ locally? Iím sure a person could find something online with more punch, but with a super high price to match. Would a .30 cal FMJ do more damage than a 9mm HST, I doubt it.

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    Ask and ye shall receive.
    Originally Posted by hoosierdoc

    There's no other logical point other than confiscation.

    When patients go into vfib and die you have minutes to shock them and save them. Ambulances often take too long. So geniuses said "let's make AEDs and put them everywhere". Now citizens can act as first responders and save lives.

    Armed citizens are the AEDs for active shooters



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    Quote Originally Posted by blue falcon View Post
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    16Ē would add velocity, and energy; a +p round would add even more.

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    No dispute from me.

    Listen, I am the Ultimate .45 ACP guy.

    Here I am pushing 9mm.

    I need to go to PB and do penance.
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    Originally Posted by hoosierdoc

    There's no other logical point other than confiscation.

    When patients go into vfib and die you have minutes to shock them and save them. Ambulances often take too long. So geniuses said "let's make AEDs and put them everywhere". Now citizens can act as first responders and save lives.

    Armed citizens are the AEDs for active shooters



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    Quote Originally Posted by nate77 View Post
    speaking of .30 carbine ammo, can you buy anything but FMJ locally? Iím sure a person could find something online with more punch, but with a super high price to match. Would a .30 cal FMJ do more damage than a 9mm HST, I doubt it.
    You can find the Hornady Critical Defense 30 Carbine in most gun shops and most big box stores.

    Standard soft points are easily found too.

    The new Underwood ammo is a little harder to find, but out there.

    Mac did a test of both in 30 Carbine.

    Also donít forget that most 9mm self defense ammo isnít designed for Carbine velocity. You will find that at the higher speeds the bullets fail and fragment in the target. Some makers even have a disclaimer about running it a Carbine.

    Look I realize that there is 30 years of incorrect group think on this Cartridge. But thanks to recent offerings from Hornady and Underwood, this misunderstood cartridge is getting new life and a chance to shine.

    I canít wait for IMI to bring over the Magal Carbine.
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    Still, in a discussion of Glocks, I make a snarky remark about sub-caliber plastic pieces of junk and that the 1911A1 in .45 acp is the only way to go.

    But It seems that you are actually trying to convince everyone you are right.

    I'm out.
    Originally Posted by hoosierdoc

    There's no other logical point other than confiscation.

    When patients go into vfib and die you have minutes to shock them and save them. Ambulances often take too long. So geniuses said "let's make AEDs and put them everywhere". Now citizens can act as first responders and save lives.

    Armed citizens are the AEDs for active shooters



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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMoose View Post
    New From Inland Mfg: M1 Carbine Pistol - The Truth About Guns

    12 Inch M1 carbine based "pistol" with brace and threaded muzzle, pistol grip, and all the rails you can want. To come out in 2018.
    Still only 5.5 pounds.

    Also, due to the resurgence of 30 Carbine. IMI is rumored to be bringing over the MAGAL rifle. This is a Galil based carbine that is chambered in 30 carbine you guys will surely go nuts over.

    Sorry guys, the new Ruger PC9 is a heavy pig that fires weaker round. And I won't even mention the fiddly parts and tool laiden field strip of the Ruger. It's going to the dustbin of history like the original just as soon as the Ruger fanboy craze is over.

    Also. The bigger point. There are AR carbines lighter then this thing!
    You are comparing apples to oranges especially when the MSRP for the M1 is almost 3 times more expensive than the Ruger's PC Carbine. I'll buy the Ruger and still have enough money left over to buy a couple AR's.

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    Some people will buy a PC9 because their state has too many restrictions on ARs.


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