thanks for the rep, but they are anything BUT a relic....in a hostile environment with threats that can be within arms reach to great distances they serve their purpose well....they don't have additional MOA marks which can easily confuse in CQB situations...I know if my unit gave me a choice of optics I would still take the ACOG for that exact reason and I am proficient with mil-dot reticles at greater distances....the less you have to think about in combat, the faster you can react