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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twangbanger View Post
    I had a feeling something was not right with you...
    Thank you. I carefully consider all opinions.
    "See you on the Range"

  2. #42
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    Subjectivity Is Not An Option - The Shooters Mindset

    Was shooting in the dark earlier, at the time I responded I hadn't realized a new set of rules and app had been published, I still stand by what I said. Shooting sports should include sportsmanship and fun, if it wasn't fun I think most of us would sell all our gear and do something else; the vast majority of us do not get paid to shoot and I can do that by my lonesome.

    In lien with the article I linked above, I agree the rules are the rules, and should be universally applied by educated RO's. Where there is any perceived room for interpretation and trepidation, like t'was mentioned NROI is an email away. Request for clarification after the fact but on the stage wether you're the RO making the call or the shooter being affected there's no need to make it personal; make the call and if necessary request for a RM and hope for the best.
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    All this reminded me of the recent hoopla in the NFL regarding a missed-call. Matches have been won and lost by missed calls. We accept them as collateral damage until we find something better. However at the end of the day we are blessed to have those to step forward to officiate us safely thru the course. IMHO NROI trumps IDPA for the best job of consistency in training for calls, however one only has to watch closely as missed finger calls abide in both associations. We are at a better level now than then and hope to be at a better level later than now.
    "See you on the Range"

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    Quote Originally Posted by happygunner View Post
    I'd rather shoot Coach's carry gun match than IDPga... er A.
    Although you admit you've never actually shot IDPA. Prejudice without experience equals ignorance.
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    "A gun is like a parachute, if you need one and don't have it, you probably won't need it again."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwo483 View Post
    Although you admit you've never actually shot IDPA. Prejudice without experience equals ignorance.
    If the tutu covers the holster would the guy still need a fishing vest?

    In a perfect world liberals would taste good and be easy to field dress.

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    You can still see his gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach View Post
    Not following the rules is being a dick.
    Does not matter what level. It is being a dick.
    There are plenty of dicks at all levels.

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    agree with the 2M+FTSA for all match levels

    Quote Originally Posted by riverman67 View Post
    So in your mind the squib wasn't engaging?
    I disagree
    Was it picked up on the timer?
    This shooter already has 2 Mike's plus the time they took dicking with their gun.
    I'm going to get a lot of FTSA if I have to hit the targets as well as engage them
    Would you argue against an FTSA if the shooter didn't realize they were out of ammo and dryfired at the target? It's not about intent; we can't say "I intended to engage the target." So you get the FTSA. Just like if you actually engage the target but miss, you can't say "I intended to hit it." You get the miss.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grelber View Post
    Somebody really left - insert any known or rumored human or animal activity here - for IDPA, in order to get away from rules issues???

    I started in IDPA and came to USPSA, and one of the reasons was the USPSA rules and how consistently they are applied both at different match levels and throughout the country. Yes, USPSA may have a bigger rule book, but that's just because they address more situations and leave less up to the staff to guess about. And while I have not shot USPSA nationals to fairly compare, I did shoot an IDPA nationals, and it was an absolute mess from a rules enforcement standpoint. I don't doubt USPSA still has some issues as humans are involved (and some rules could be written more clearly w/ less room for interpretation or personal judgment), but I think generally ROs/CROs/RMs TRY to apply the rules correctly.

    I.D.P.A. = I Don't Participate Anymore

    Sometimes the USPSA rules knock you hard for seemingly minor things. It doesn't take much to oops and zero a stage. I learned some hard lessons coming up through the ranks, but rather than complain about whether the racked up penalties felt "fair," I thought "I'm not making THAT mistake again!" So yea, sorry you have to eat a penalty in addition to the mikes... bet you'll spend a little more attention to your ammo loading!

    2c

    -rvb
    Ryan V. B. TY56060 Come shoot USPSA w Ft Wayne Area Practical Shooters: www.facebook.com/fwuspsa

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    Rules should be followed, but who can f**king remember all of them. You get into stuff like this it's probably best to be a shooter who really knows the book so you can argue a call. Otherwise you're getting what the reasonably informed volunteer calls, and you'll take it.

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