M&P auto forward USPSA

[MuncieFud]

I'm looking into getting the M&P 2.0 and setting it up for USPSA. On the original M&P that I shoot now it auto forwards very reliably and it's something I like. The 2.0 doesn't, if I were to remove the detent allowing it to auto forward would this be within the rules? I know removing of a safety is a no-go. I don't believe this would qualify as removing a safety. Am I wrong in my thinking? Any help is greatly appreciated.


Before anyone says it, I practice racking the slide in the event that it doesn't auto forward. It's a question on the rules not on how you think I should shoot.

 

[JCSR]

If you stage plan properly there is never a slide lock reload. I have a M&P 2.0 5" and all I have done is install an extended mag release and a fiber optic front sight. Buy plenty of extra mags and you're good!

edit: I removed the thumb safety. S&W will send you the frame plugs free of chage.

 

[MuncieFud]

Is that allowed? I have a compact I did that too but I wasn't sure if it was allowed in USPSA. Technically you are removing a safety but they also make a version without the safety.

 

[JCSR]

Is that allowed? I have a compact I did that too but I wasn't sure if it was allowed in USPSA. Technically you are removing a safety but they also make a version without the safety.

External modifications are now allowed in USPSA production class.

 

[romack991]

edit: I removed the thumb safety. S&W will send you the frame plugs free of chage.

Is that allowed? I have a compact I did that too but I wasn't sure if it was allowed in USPSA. Technically you are removing a safety but they also make a version without the safety.

No, safeties must remain operational. D4 22.1

 

[Grelber]

If you stage plan properly there is never a slide lock reload. .

Saw some really bad stage planning involving a 15 yard Texas Star yesterday .

 

[JCSR]

No, safeties must remain operational. D4 22.1

Technically that is correct. I was told that a serial number check would have to be done to confirm since a no-saftey model is available.

Saw some really bad stage planning involving a 15 yard Texas Star yesterday .

So your must have been at Owensboro. Since the 15 yard star was such a problem Gary will probably move it out to 20 yards today! I'll be there and report back.

 

[romack991]

Technically that is correct. I was told that a serial number check would have to be done to confirm since a no-saftey model is available.

There are 100s of ways you can break the rules and not get caught. It's still cheating. I'd start getting advice from other people.

 

[Coach]

There are 100s of ways you can break the rules and not get caught. It's still cheating. I'd start getting advice from other people.

"Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat."

-Jesse The Body Ventura.

 

[JCSR]

8.1.2.4
With respect to Rules 8.1.2.1 and 8.1.2.3, the term “safety” means the primary visible safety lever on the handgun (e.g. the thumb safety on a “1911” genre handgun). In the event of doubt, the Range Master is the final authority on this matter.
See also Appendix C2 Item 47
In Production division, all safeties (internal and external) must be fully functional

APPENDIX D4 – Production Division

21.6 Exchange of minor External components
Sights, firing pins, firing pin retainers, pins, extractors, magazine releases, slide stops, thumb safeties, triggers, hammers, bushings, and ejectors MAY be replaced with OFM or aftermarket parts.

 

[Fuzz]

8.1.2.4
With respect to Rules 8.1.2.1 and 8.1.2.3, the term “safety” means the primary visible safety lever on the handgun (e.g. the thumb safety on a “1911” genre handgun). In the event of doubt, the Range Master is the final authority on this matter.
See also Appendix C2 Item 47
In Production division, all safeties (internal and external) must be fully functional

APPENDIX D4 – Production Division

21.6 Exchange of minor External components
Sights, firing pins, firing pin retainers, pins, extractors, magazine releases, slide stops, thumb safeties, triggers, hammers, bushings, and ejectors MAY be replaced with OFM or aftermarket parts.

It says EXCHANGE, not remove. It can be replaced with a different one. Not removed.

 

[JCSR]

It says EXCHANGE, not remove. It can be replaced with a different one. Not removed.

Correct for PRODUCTION. The OP never said he was shooting production. I shot Limited at a level 1 match and it was not seen as an unfair advantage. " In the event of doubt, the Range Master is the final authority on this matter."

 

[Fuzz]

Correct for PRODUCTION. The OP never said he was shooting production. I shot Limited at a level 1 match and it was not seen as an unfair advantage. " In the event of doubt, the Range Master is the final authority on this matter."

Not according to your post #4

 

[JCSR]

Not according to your post #4

We both assumed he was shooting production. My point is the rules are very gray. I no longer shoot my M&P in competition but if I ever did the other "D" shooters would be at a great disadvantage.

 

[MuncieFud]

So can I remove the detent so it auto forwards? Now that the safety question has been answered.

 

[chezuki]

So can I remove the detent so it auto forwards? Now that the safety question has been answered.

What you are calling “auto forward” was a bug not a feature of the original M&P, which would occasionally fail to strip a round and result in an empty chamber. Learn to rack the slide or plan the stage better.

 

[downrange72]

What you are calling “auto forward” was a bug not a feature of the original M&P, which would occasionally fail to strip a round and result in an empty chamber. Learn to rack the slide or plan the stage better.

I hated that. 'Click'

 

[indygunguy]

What you are calling “auto forward” was a bug not a feature of the original M&P, which would occasionally fail to strip a round and result in an empty chamber. Learn to rack the slide or plan the stage better.

Indeed. I used to get that auto-forward thing on my Glock 19. Super aggravating to me. One of the many reasons I now carry a M&P 2.0 Compact.