Climate change legit after all! Who woulda thunk it?

Spear Dane · Dec 27, 2016

Woobie said:
Nuclear FTW. The waste is small, manageable, and not without use. It is a hassle, but it can be dealt with.

People get scared, but the plants we had here are much better built than the ruskie's. They can be put in areas that are not at high risk for geological problems. And hopefully after Chernobyl, everyone knows not to run unauthorized experiments.

I agree. I would build more and put the USN in charge of them all. They have never had so much as an incident that I know of, much less an accident. If the Navy knows how to do anything in this world it's safely run a nuclear reactor under all kinds of conditions.

Spear Dane · Dec 27, 2016

actaeon277 said:
Media is filled with geniuses

Jeeez man now I gotta clean up all this sweet tea. That right there is FUNNY!

Woobie · Dec 27, 2016

Spear Dane said:
I agree. I would build more and put the USN in charge of them all. They have never had so much as an incident that I know of, much less an accident. If the Navy knows how to do anything in this world it's safely run a nuclear reactor under all kinds of conditions.

Good point. The Army and Air Force have lots of experience with fissile material, but I don't know if you want them working on stuff that is NOT supposed to go boom.

jamil · Dec 27, 2016

That's ****ing hilarious right there.

actaeon277 said:
Media is filled with geniuses

Woobie · Dec 27, 2016

I wish Anericans were smart enough to use the sea to hide submarines. But hey, we can't even dream of the math equations our intellectual superiors are doing.

AtTheMurph · Dec 27, 2016

A 7.62 Exodus said:
Ok, this thread has gone exactly how I thought it would. I'm only going to be replying to the comments that I see are the most "out there." Before I do though, here are my thoughts.

1) Climate change is very, very real. HOWEVER, climate change is NOT global warming. Climate change is actually a naturally occurring process, that takes place on earth over certain periods of time. Climate change can be dangerous, but only in the sense of when it's mentioned with global warming. There is nothing that can be done about natural climate change. Just like the seasons change, so does the climate. It's not scary, it's not doom and gloom, but it it's real, happens, and has happened.

2) I tend to lean more conservative when it comes to global warming. Personally, I think the data supports it, and that global warming is a real thing, but I'm still not sure the extent man is helping it along. The give away for me are the islands disappearing in the pacific ocean. These are small islands that have had many generations of people on them that are suddenly disappearing due to rising ocean levels. What would the people on these islands have to gain by saying such a thing? The reality is not much. If multiple generations of these native islanders are saying something isn't right, I tend to agree with them. Although, my thing with global warming is investing in clean energy. It doesn't have to be political. If you had sources of clean energy that could power your home, why not do it? Solar and wind power are insanely great assets, that in my mind we're ridiculous for not trying to harness more.

So have these Pacific islands disappeared due to rising seas (if so how much rise?) or simply by the natural process of erosion?

I have a home in FL where there are many islands nearby. Some appear and some disappear but no one is claiming that sea level rises in the Gulf of Mex are the cause.

oldpink · Dec 27, 2016

actaeon277 said:
Those are from ships. We have no space big enough to put something like that onboard.
Trust me, I know.

I was on the USS LY Spear for some reason, maybe heading to the Squadron Command Office. The Spear is a Submarine Tender (Auxiliary).
Anyway, as I'm walking down a passage, an alarm goes off.
Well, on the John Marshall, I know exactly what to do, no matter where I am.
LY Spear, not so much.
A chief (chief petty officer) goes past, points to one of those "hatch with scuttle" that you showed, looked at me, and yelled, "Aren't you going to secure that?".
So I said, "Aye, Aye Chief!".
I had no idea what to do. That thing weighs mucho pounds and would chop someone in half.
So a couple sailors showed up from the Spear, and they were lower rank. So I asked the senior one if he knew how to secure it. He did.
So I told him to secure it, told him he was in charge of the work party, and I high tailed it to Squadron Command. Whew!

The hatch through the pressure hull looks like this from the top
[...]

I figured your hatches for the pressure hull at least would have been considerably more substantial than ours.
btw...I'm familiar with the L.Y. Spear, having seen it many times tied up near the destroyer piers in Norfolk.
There's more than meets the eye when it comes to sub tenders, or so I've been told.

actaeon277 · Dec 27, 2016

oldpink said:
I figured your hatches for the pressure hull at least would have been considerably more substantial than ours.
btw...I'm familiar with the L.Y. Spear, having seen it many times tied up near the destroyer piers in Norfolk.
There's more than meets the eye when it comes to sub tenders, or so I've been told.

Not really.
Fabrication/repair shops.
Spare parts.
Weapon replenishment.
Food.

No real offensive or defensive weaponry, or armor.

LY Spear was for SUBRON 6. I can't remember the name of the Tender for SUBRON 8.
But I do know they had positioned riflemen on it when the submarine next to us had a Topside Watch go bonkers.
Watchstander pulled his .45 and pointed it at the officer making his rounds (the in port name for the OOD, I can't remember it).
Said he wanted a chair to sit on.

So, we manned stations for "repel boarders", I was topside, I think with a .45, and 1 or 2 mags.
But, the crazy watchstander was between us and the Tender with the rifleman. So, I get hold of my Chief, a Texan, and point out the riflemen, and say, "Uh Chief. What happens if some of those riflemen miss? Where are the bullets going?".
Well, I knew the answer, and I saw when he figured it out.
So he moved us behind the sail.

Watchstander eventually got tired of holding the .45, and was taken to an "institution".

rhino · Dec 27, 2016

Woobie said:
Nuclear FTW. The waste is small, manageable, and not without use. It is a hassle, but it can be dealt with.

People get scared, but the plants we had here are much better built than the ruskie's. They can be put in areas that are not at high risk for geological problems. And hopefully after Chernobyl, everyone knows not to run unauthorized experiments.

The French have a pretty good record for safety. If those cheese-eating surrender monkeys can do it . . .

The newer plug'n'play reactors that you install and then replace the entire unit when the fuel is spent are pretty slick.

Woobie said:
I wish Anericans were smart enough to use the sea to hide submarines. But hey, we can't even dream of the math equations our intellectual superiors are doing.

Heh heh heh. I'm remaining silent.

oldpink · Dec 28, 2016

actaeon277 said:
Not really.
Fabrication/repair shops.
Spare parts.
Weapon replenishment.
Food.

No real offensive or defensive weaponry, or armor.

LY Spear was for SUBRON 6. I can't remember the name of the Tender for SUBRON 8.
But I do know they had positioned riflemen on it when the submarine next to us had a Topside Watch go bonkers.
Watchstander pulled his .45 and pointed it at the officer making his rounds (the in port name for the OOD, I can't remember it).
Said he wanted a chair to sit on.

So, we manned stations for "repel boarders", I was topside, I think with a .45, and 1 or 2 mags.
But, the crazy watchstander was between us and the Tender with the rifleman. So, I get hold of my Chief, a Texan, and point out the riflemen, and say, "Uh Chief. What happens if some of those riflemen miss? Where are the bullets going?".
Well, I knew the answer, and I saw when he figured it out.
So he moved us behind the sail.

Watchstander eventually got tired of holding the .45, and was taken to an "institution".

And we only had a drill with the assumption that the Petty Officer of the Watch had gone bonkers.
He's lucky that the riflemen (probably with an M-14, depending on whether that happened in the 80's or early 90's) didn't get pressed into firing!
I'm sure he recovered fully and went back to work on that same sub afterward.

JTScribe · Dec 28, 2016

100% Of US Warming Is Due To NOAA Data Tampering | The Deplorable Climate Science Blog

hoosierdoc · Dec 28, 2016

100% is more than 96% of scientists agreeing it is happening, so I'm convinced

Spear Dane · Dec 28, 2016

hoosierdoc said:
100% is more than 96% of scientists agreeing it is happening, so I'm convinced

Also 9 out of 10 dentists, according to a recent survey.

JTScribe · Dec 28, 2016

Spear Dane said:
Also 9 out of 10 dentists, according to a recent survey.

[video=youtube;YxR1pbqVjlk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxR1pbqVjlk[/video]

"Is this toothbrush certified by the American Dental Association?"

A 7.62 Exodus · Dec 28, 2016

AtTheMurph said:
So have these Pacific islands disappeared due to rising seas (if so how much rise?) or simply by the natural process of erosion?

I have a home in FL where there are many islands nearby. Some appear and some disappear but no one is claiming that sea level rises in the Gulf of Mex are the cause.

This is an excellent question. I have no doubt that some of these stories of islands disappearing are over exaggerated by many people pushing for climate reform. Or simply the islands are being eroded away. However, there was a story I read in school that I found quite interesting. I'll link it if I can find it. It basically spoke of a very small patch of land that a group of islanders would frequent in order to fish. Well, this patch of land is now completely covered in water. Not eroded away, just completely engulfed. It even has satellite photos from a few years ago, taken at the same date in time showing the changes.

EDIT: I am unable to find the article. So I guess this point is moot since I can't back it up. This is a good read however, even though it's CNN
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2015/06/opinions/sutter-two-degrees-marshall-islands/

A 7.62 Exodus · Dec 28, 2016

JTScribe said:
100% Of US Warming Is Due To NOAA Data Tampering | The Deplorable Climate Science Blog

1) So you're saying our best weather monitoring equipment on the planet is wrong?
2) It's called GLOBAL warming, not US warming. The US may not be that hot this year, but sure isn't the case for other regions.
3) The deplorable climate science blog. Yup, that's pretty much all I needed to know

oldpink · Dec 28, 2016

A 7.62 Exodus said:
1) So you're saying our best weather monitoring equipment on the planet is wrong?
2) It's called GLOBAL warming, not US warming. The US may not be that hot this year, but sure isn't the case for other regions.
3) The deplorable climate science blog. Yup, that's pretty much all I needed to know

Funny..."3)" Pretty much summarizes any source that depends on reaching a conclusion that guarantees it will continue to receive grants in the study of climate.

A 7.62 Exodus · Dec 28, 2016

oldpink said:
Funny..."3)" Pretty much summarizes any source that depends on reaching a conclusion that guarantees it will continue to receive grants in the study of climate.

There have been people in NOAA and at the university level that have devoted their entire lives to the study of global warming/climate change, that do so without raising flags, screaming from the mountain tops, or otherwise "look at me." So sure, continue to disregard their findings because "Oh well, they work for NOAA. Of course they believe in that crap."

Dean C. · Dec 28, 2016

So this is why at the end of damn near every single Science class I have ever taken at the college level the Ph.D dedicates an entire lecture to essentially proving global warming (even did it in my Physics class talking about the absorption spectra of the atmosphere and what not). I am going to go on a limb here and say Global Warming is a pretty sure thing at this point. But then again some people also believe vaccines can give children autism ( and to that I say let's give the parents polio)

Woobie · Dec 28, 2016

Dean Crail said:
So this is why at the end of damn near every single Science class I have ever taken at the college level the Ph.D dedicates an entire lecture to essentially proving global warming (even did it in my Physics class talking about the absorption spectra of the atmosphere and what not). I am going to go on a limb here and say Global Warming is a pretty sure thing at this point. But then again some people also believe vaccines can give children autism ( and to that I say let's give the parents polio)

So is it Anthropogenic?

Climate change legit after all! Who woulda thunk it?

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