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    It is Saturday morning at 5AM and the event is major. You woke up early because of the dogs barking.
    Doesn't matter what the event is, but come Monday, no one is going to work and by then the stores will not have much to purchase because of panic buying.


    • The power will fail in 24 to 36 hours.
    • I have solar power and everything is backed up. I have two big generators, both are propane powered. I'm already off grid.
    • You have two extra family members with their own cars for the weekend and they have to stay with you for the duration.
    • We have two extra bedrooms, plus the living room has sofas.
    • You own a car and a pickup truck.
    • I have a full size Jeep wagon, a little old Jeep CJ, two older tractors & old, smaller farming tools, plow, disk, harrow, cultivator, etc.
    • The electric golf cart is basic transportation that doesn't rely on fossil fuels and is an extra battery bank for the house.



    • Your house has a septic system and 220 volt well.
    • I also have a stainless steel hand pump in one of the wells, just in case...
    • No aid to you area for months and things won't be normal for at least 6 months.
    • Today is October 5th to help you put yourself in the right mind set.
    • I buy propane off season in summer, 1,200 gallons and in fall tanks would be full.
    • Since it would be canning/harvest season, all the smaller tanks we take out for canning would be full too.
    • Since we home can and have a large 'Root Cellar', there is probably 2 years worth of food in there already, and the crops would be in full harvest, we simply wouldn't do the usual selling of harvest and can or trade until the garden gave up.
    • You live on 7 acres with few neighbors, 7 miles from a town of 1,600 with an older style Walmart and smaller grocery stores.
    • I'm already 17 miles from town, and I hate China-Mart...
    • Your house and property is not in danger from the event.
    • Of course it's not, 17 miles out of town, bordered on two sides by a river, state fish & wildlife area as a neighbor, and it's a mile off the nearest county road with people on it.
    • You have some chickens, dogs and cats.
    • Don't forget the groundhogs, coyotes, squirrels, rabbits, racoons, migrating water fowl, etc...
    • The deer & turkeys are so thick the crap is a problem on the beach & side yards.
    • Also, consider turtles, eels, fish, and anything else that creeps up & down the river or lake banks.
    • The stores are taking credit cards, checks and cash.
    • If the banks are open, and the credit card machines are working, how bad can it get?
    • You have a wood stove, chain saw, ax and an assortment of tools normally encountered with someone who owns land with equipment.
    • [Color=blue]Naturally, along with a wood pellet & corn stove, with a grain bin full of off spec corn that reproduces, can be replanted.[/quote]
    • You won't be able to travel to escape the disaster.
    • It's a 'Sustainable' over 'Survival' thing, why would I want to leave my little slice of paradise?
    • Fruit trees instead of decorative, gardens instead of 'Landscaping' & flower beds, more in home canning equipment than I have in reloading supplies, and I have a crap load of reloading supplies/equipment.



    Everyone does a quick inventory and you have enough food and supplies for 3 weeks for all 5 adults.

    The guns you own are a 22 rifle and pistol with 500 rounds, a 12 gauge shotgun with 300 shells and a 9 mm pistol with 300 rounds.

    you forgot about 100,000 to 500,000 5.56 NATO cases, several AR clones, an SR25 with night vision that's a tack driver at 800 yards, a couple M40 rifles in 7.62 NATO and several thousand brass, the list goes on but you get the idea.

    In the situation you describe, a bow & arrows, sling shots, etc for small game,
    I would do my best to surround the house to bring anyone intent on harm within range,
    I would barricade windows & doors, at least on ground level, and limit access to the house.


    What you going to do?
    I would feed & water the neighbors to the extent I could, many hands make for lighter loads.
    Yard barns & campers make for portable/emergency housing,
    Anyone trustworthy & willing to do an honest days work, defend the place would be welcome.
    Strong backs are enough, but pooling resources will make things go MUCH easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cameramonkey View Post
    Forgot a big tub of petroleum jelly, ziplock baggies (or saran wrap), and big bag of cotton balls.

    No, I'm not concerned about your makeup removal. PJ infused cotton balls make awesome fire starters. put some cotton balls and petroleum jelly in a bag and massage the PJ into the balls ( ) . When you are ready to start a fire, remove an impregnated cotton ball from the baggie and rip it in half. Place the ripped portions up on your tinder. You'll notice the fine threads of cotton sticking up as a result of the ripping motion. Those threads will light readily with merely a spark from a flint and steel or magnesium firestarter.
    Doesn't everyone carry some cotton balls and a tube of antibiotic ointment or carmex or plain petrol. jelly on their person all the time?



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    Two weeks and no more responses. Someone is not taking homework seriously.
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    Two weeks and no more responses. Someone is not taking homework seriously.
    "I know of you"

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    Sorry Longbow. I can't believe I've allowed this gem to languish.
    Fuel, canned goods, and barter items would top my list.
    Cant go wrong with booze, tobacco, and coffee.
    Trust me. In a TEOTWAWKI situation you're going to be in an advantaged position sitting there sipping hot coffee when Joe grasshopper walks up to barter.
    I hear They call him Flipper. Yes... yes, I'm serious.

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    The more I think about it, the more I am convinced that fuel should be the number one acquisition, perhaps to the exclusion of all other things at that time. It's going to be the hardest to find later.



    "The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the State."
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    Quote Originally Posted by longbow View Post


    The guns you own are a 22 rifle and pistol with 500 rounds, a 12 gauge shotgun with 300 shells and a 9 mm pistol with 300 rounds.
    I would be wondering where all my ammo went?

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    Quote Originally Posted by woowoo2 View Post
    I would be wondering where all my ammo went?
    Yup.
    Just call me lollipop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woowoo2 View Post
    I would be wondering where all my ammo went?
    Pretty much but what he is describing is more the norm. People are not prepared past dinner tonight and many are in line at the drive though for that.
    AKA..Thor. Odin son. God of thunder.
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    longbow,

    I’ll take a crack at this. I welcome feedback if someone has a different take on priorities and/or my solutions to those priorities.

    Since electricity is still on, I would check to see if the Internet is still up. If so, I would see if anything on the list below can be ordered for next day delivery from Amazon. I would still try to buy locally even if ordered from Amazon as delivery may, but probably won't happen.

    Critical needs:

    • Water requires 220V to pump out of the ground. No back up system apparently available.
    • Food on hand is not adequate to last until aid begins to arrive.
    • Prescription meds needed for sustaining health


    Secondary needs:

    • Medical/nutrition: non-critical prescriptions, OTC medicine, first aid, supplements
    • Sanitary/hygiene: toilet paper, soap, detergent, cleaning supplies, feminine
    • Self Defense: ammo, additional weapons, scope, night vision and/or thermal
    • Comms: scanner, GMRS radios, battery operated AM/FM
    • Animals: food, medicines


    Tasks for everyone:

    • Purchase as much gas as can be stored. Fill up all vehicles and any container that can safely hold fuel.
    • Withdraw as much cash as possible to use when the electricity goes out. ATM and/or from teller.


    Pick up truck goes to closest Rural King, Tractor Supply, Menards etc.


    • Purchase generator(s) which needs to be 220V and as large as possible to run well pump [two is one, one is none]
    • If possible also buy small inverter genie for smaller loads/better fuel efficiency/delicate electronics
    • Oil for generator maintenance
    • Cable, plugs or ready made jumper for connecting generator to house
    • Additional gas cans
    • Fuel stabilizer
    • Pitcher pump, extra leathers
    • 1.25” plastic pipe with length equal to depth of well
    • Screw-type adapter to connect pipe to pump
    • Several 1.25” hose clamps (only need one, but if you drop your only one down your well…)
    • Extra chain saw blades, bar oil, sharpening tool, maul, wedges
    • Plastic barrels or other container for water collection and storage


    Two people in the next two largest vehicles head to the closest Sam’s Club or Costco.

    • Buy as much shelf stable food as possible
    • Food for animals
    • Toilet paper, soap, detergent, cleaning supplies, feminine supplies
    • OTC meds and first aid supplies
    • Alkaline batteries
    • Rechargeable batteries & chargers


    Fourth vehicle: Sporting goods store

    • Purchase additional ammo. (especially 00 Buck and slugs)
    • Semi-auto rifle(s), ammo, 1-4x scope, mags, weapon light
    • Additional 9mm pistol, ammo, mags, holster, mag carrier, weapon light
    • Night vision or thermal goggles or sights
    • Flash lights, lanterns, head lamps


    Whoever's destination takes them closest to the pharmacy the family uses should attempt to fill any available prescriptions.

    After the first run to the stores, I would consider returning to purchase additional fuel and more food if supplies are potentially available. I would attempt to withdraw the daily cash limit from ATMs on Sunday morning if it seems safe to go to a bank. Before the grid electricity goes out I would attempt to store as much potable and non-potable water to be used for manually refilling toilet tanks so that when the generator is running all water pumped can be dedicated for human/animal consumption. Thinking that generator use would limited to a few hours a day to stretch fuel as far as possible. Make and store as much ice as possible before the grid goes down.
    Last edited by FreeLand; 06-29-2019 at 21:37.

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