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    Quote Originally Posted by PistolBob View Post
    Like I said....don't vote for socialists, vote for Trump.
    He supports red flag laws and was a key figure in the bump stock ban. Trump might be the lesser of 2 evils but he's not the savior you might think he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisR32 View Post
    Only one way to prevent all the doom and gloom many of you are posting - Change the Culture and include all gun owners. Stop eating ourselves and be open and talk to others about being responsible armed citizens. Hiding in the shadows won’t help because the other side won’t realize the big scary boogieman they fear is actually the soccer mom in the PTA or the guy who made their lunch today CC’ing while delivering their food.

    It’s ours and ours only to loose this fight.

    I hear what you are saying. I have been asked this question so I will pass it on to you. What kind of strategy do you propose to accomplish your objective?

    Not to be a nay-sayer or a defeatist, but being a responsible armed citizen requires that my presence is not disruptive, and therefore goes unnoticed by the masses. That in and of itself is being used against us.

    The People (as in "We the") are being warned about the big scary boogieman every time we turn on our TV. A favorite paraphrase of mine; Don't hold your breath waiting for the revolution to begin because they are just finishing theirs. Unfortunately, I don't think they are actually done with theirs yet.

    Each one of us might have a responsibility to our nation and our hobby, but we are out-numbered out-spent and out-propagandized and the socialists just want us out.

    The doom and gloom isn't to depress people, it is a warning. It is a warning for awakening. It is a warning for preparation. It is a warning that the time for decision making is coming.

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    Don't have one...because that was written in sarcasm. Any of those who think that was a serious answer need to take a deep breath and use more purple in their imagination when reading.

    For your viewing and reading pleasure, my original post has been altered.

    Ultimately, we are done. I believe this American experiment is winding down. Our country already has too many citizens who are willing to sell out their freedom for a false sense of security. Years ago Americans decided to ignore their history and allowed their peace and prosperity to be manipulated and turned into a weapon. Now we no longer even discuss liberty, but rather how much we are willing to enslave ourselves.

    We see it even here on INGO. When a gun law is proposed, there are some who say, "just as long as they don't take mine...I'm OK with it." "I don't need XYZ because it's worthless, a toy, a waste of your excuse here."

    I am not sure at what point Americans decided that selling out others rights/liberties was the best way of protecting their own. But it has metastasized and I am not convinced that the patient can be saved.
    "May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one." - Mal

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    I could only listen to a few seconds, but when she invoked Cliven Bundy as an example of a "good guy", I turned it off.
    Quote Originally Posted by Abraham Lincoln
    Do I not destroy my enemies when I make them my friends?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjamin Franklin
    Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tench Coxe
    Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American ... the unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
    Quote Originally Posted by William Blakstone
    It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JettaKnight View Post
    I could only listen to a few seconds, but when she invoked Cliven Bundy as an example of a "good guy", I turned it off.
    To me, her point was actual physical resistance requires numbers. She also said that regarding non compliance with gun laws

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    I think physical resistance would require numbers, or 1 with good mobility.
    No one is stronger or more dangerous than the man who can harness his emotions.

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    I read a story one time about a staff of 400 security guards being able to confine/police 200,000 people.

    It would seem that even if someone might know their situation is dire and their end is certain, either immediately or through a more excruciating experience of forced labor, disease and starvation, there just might not be anyplace else to go to that warrants an uprising.

    No offense to the survivors. Tough times, tough choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach View Post
    I think physical resistance would require numbers, or 1 with good mobility.
    5 men or less with training can bring a city to its knees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worddoer View Post
    Best way to prevent your guns from being confiscated is to have a tragic boating accident while cleaning all of your guns on a very deep lake. That accident caused all those pretty and clean guns to sink away in the deep, deep water never to be seen again....right?
    Happened to me once...was invited to go on a hunting expedition and was told to, "Bring everything you got as you never know what you might run into, or what you might need!" and, sadly, in the process of transferring from the float plane to the boat, that one bag that had everything in it slipped and fell into the water, sinking very quickly! With a huge storm coming in and the float plane needing to leave immediately in order to be able to stay ahead of it, we had no choice but to head directly to shore and was, therefore, unable to accurately pin-point the location where the incident occurred. The only thing that didn't get lost was the older (built in 1990), nickle Taurus 85 .38 special I had on my hip, along with the 5 rounds that were in it.
    Needless to say, the storm canceled the hunting trip and, in the end, all was lost for nothing!

    Stupid should hurt!!! ~ Amishman44

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