Police Shooting Civilian in Training Released

[Kirk Freeman]

And the officer's said when he realized he had killed her were . . . "eet ain't low-dead".

The consequences of being "smarter" than everyone else is death.

Florida police release video of officer shooting, killing woman during civilian training | NBC4i.com

 

[ATM]

Most likely the tragic result of neglected/absent protocol.

I've been thankful for and impressed by the strict protocols enforced prior to any FoF portion of the classes I've participated in to ensure that any non-FoF weaponry and ammo was secured/precluded from entering the containment area of a drill.

If I ever attend a class where I consider such checks and protocol to be lax, I'll speak up and then leave if it's not addressed.

Who knows how many, if any, of those participants had the knowledge to even consider that or ask.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Most likely the tragic result of neglected/absent protocol.

That would be the protocol that ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED.

 

[ATM]

That would be the protocol that ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED.

Don't be silly.

When you're planning to shoot someone with a marker round, it will be loaded. I doubt he thought it was empty and was planning to just click it at her.

Protocol dictates that you follow and enforce steps (to include wanding) to preclude any other form of weaponry/ammo from entering the vicinity so the drill doesn't turn lethal when the intentional shots are fired.

Not sure how you'd even consider this a gun handling violation from what you presented. He intended to shoot her with something.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

When you're planning to shoot someone with a marker round,

Found your problem right there.

 

[hog slayer]

uh oh. Here we go, again. No doubt it was a set up, as well.

 

[oldpink]

It's amazing just how many people get killed with unloaded guns.

 

[drop45]

Damn those Russians.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Found your problem right there.

Officer Numbnuts (who is facing Manslaughter now) thought his wadcutters for blanks. Not marker rounds or any other made up b.s.

Don't point guns at people unless you are seeking decades of blissful shower sodomy in DoC. It's like the First Rule or something.

https://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2017/...ouldnt-tell-blanks-wadcutters-shot-librarian/

 

[JollyMon]

That would be the protocol that ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED.

thats not the protocol and guns are not always loaded. The rule is treat them as they are always loaded. If all guns are always loaded how would you "unload and show clear" at every uspsa match? How would you disassemble a glock?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

thats not the protocol and guns are not always loaded.

We know it was not protocol for Officer Numbnuts. Now he faces Manslaughter. How's that ignoring the Four Rules working out so far for him?

If all guns are always loaded how would you "unload and show clear" at every uspsa match?

By treating the gun as a snake and not a kitty and by not pointing the gun at human beings.

How would you disassemble a glock?

Unload it and point it at something other than a retired librarian and press the trigger. I recommend a sand barrel instead of a Floridian.

 

[JollyMon]

We know it was not protocol for Officer Numbnuts. Now he faces Manslaughter. How's that ignoring the Four Rules working out so far for him?



By treating the gun as a snake and not a kitty and by not pointing the gun at human beings.



Unload it and point it at something other than a retired librarian and press the trigger. I recommend a sand barrel instead of a Floridian.

But you said it was always loaded.... Saying firearms are always loaded is a state of the firearm and is not accurate and completely false .... treating a firearm as always loaded is an action of the individual.... big difference

 

[gregr]

Never point a weapon at anything you are not ready to destroy...

 

[ATM]

As suspected, it seems there were no steps taken to preclude any lethal weaponry/ammo from entering the vicinity of the the drill, so it turned lethal when the intentional shots were fired.

Far more negligent than I imagined, it seems the presenters of the drill all lacked even a basic understanding of the strict protocols developed and required by many others to responsibly accomplish what they were attempting.

I agree that more than the shooter should face consequences for this criminally negligent catastrophe.

 

[singlesix]

The level of stupidity when it comes to guns is amazing, I see more than my share at ranges. On the same vane, the shooter wanted to be reinstated to the police force, are you kidding me!

 

[Thor]

Live rounds in a training course, pointing actual weapons at actual people...so much fail here. Heck I just got to shoot a remote control cross country running dummy and they just let us use fake weapons shooting paint balls...

 

[Never A Victim]

It still baffles me how many gun owners will debate the four firearms safety rules.

 

[hog slayer]

It still baffles me how many gun owners will debate the four firearms safety rules.

It does?

 

[Thor]

No it doesn't.

 

[Double T]

thats not the protocol and guns are not always loaded. The rule is treat them as they are always loaded. If all guns are always loaded how would you "unload and show clear" at every uspsa match? How would you disassemble a glock?

I have posted this many times. It is possible to take down a glock without pulling the trigger.