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    Quote Originally Posted by patience0830 View Post
    Most of my holsters will not allow me to manipulate the mag release while holstered.
    Do those holsters allow your finger to be against the bottom of the trigger guard for a proper firing grip in the holster?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach View Post
    I agree that gun handling skills are generally lacking and in need of improvement. One method or other does not improve gun handling skills. Paying attention to detail and handling the gun properly and at the right time is what improves gun handling skills. There are many times I prefer the gun to stay in the holster. During matches and classes on a hot range that I run; that is the expectation. I have found that being successful with keeping all gun in the holster has elevated safety drastically. The times that safety gets compromised is the rare exception when someone cannot seem to leave it in the holster as directed. Removing those folks solves the problem.
    This. We routinely do it at the police firing range as well for improved efficiency. If we had to line everyone back up to top off, or everyone had to take turns at the clearing barrel, there'd be less time for drills.

    You've got a nearly unlimited amount of time to practice presentations in dry fire. Missing out on a hand full of draws over the course of a day isn't going to have any impact on your fundamentals.
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    Outside of the shooting sports where one might drastically alter reload timing and thereby the overall stage time, I see no need to top up the magazine after a reload. I load the gun, holster it, and go on about my business. I prefer to reload before I put my gun back in the holster. Still, I do use the holstered mag change from time to time and have personally encountered no safety issues. I've never felt my pistol was in any danger of leaving the holster while doing so.

    Not all pistols are made with a magazine release that can be easily manipulated while holstered. H&K and Walther pistols come to mind here. These pistols generally have to be lifted from the holster somewhat to perform this holstered mag change. I've seen lower-end holsters that fully or partially covered the mag release on other pistols, too. I have been in classes with a well known instructor who would not allow this practice in his classes because of these variables and the potential for issues the OP described.

    That being said, I see no significant issue even with lifting the gun a couple centemeters from the holster to access the mag release so long as the trigger finger stays clear of the trigger guard and the muzzle stays in the holster. The gun needs to be reseated in the holster before the mag change is completed. If a shooter cannot accomplish that safely, they have other significant gun handling deficiencies and require more training time to correct them. If that's the case, the OP has a good point about simplifying things and eliminating variables until basic gun handling is mastered to a higher degree.
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    I recently watched a Clint Smith video where he discourages topping off your magazine. His reasoning is that you should carry the same number of rounds in every magazine and topping off gives you one extra round and can throw off your round count.

    I personally count my rounds all the time (I do not expect to do this in a gun fight) and I know exactly how many rounds I have remaining at all times.

    The last class I took the instructor tried to run me out of ammo and catch me unprepared, but I was able to effect mag changes by instinct rather than being surprised by lock back.

    I do not see any problem changing mags in a holstered gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue falcon View Post
    I recently watched a Clint Walker video where he discourages topping off your magazine. His reasoning is that you should carry the same number of rounds in every magazine and topping off gives you one extra round and can throw off your round count.

    I personally count my rounds all the time (I do not expect to do this in a gun fight) and I know exactly how many rounds I have remaining at all times.

    The last class I took the instructor tried to run me out of ammo and catch me unprepared, but I was able to effect mag changes by instinct rather than being surprised by lock back.

    I do not see any problem changing mags in a holstered gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue falcon View Post
    I recently watched a Clint Walker video where he discourages topping off your magazine.
    Who?
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    You lost me.




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    Quote Originally Posted by blue falcon View Post
    You lost me.
    Clint Walker was an actor best known for a western series where he played Cheyenne Bodie. He was also in the Dirty Dozen IIRC.
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    Brain fart, I edited it. I meant Clint Smith.




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    The whole point to swapping magazines while the gun is holstered is to avoid unnecessary handling to the gun out of the holster. There is nothing unsafe about it. You just have to make sure you get the magazine seated properly, which isn't rocket science.

    Bringing the issues of foreign objects caught in the holster, crappy holsters, etc. is completely beside the point. Those are problems independent of whether or not someone swaps magazines in the holster.

    If someone doesn't like the practice, don't do it. If someone is a trainer and you doesn't like it, don't teach it. But if someone tries to justify your decision on the basis of it being inherently unsafe, it's a big fail.



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