Is The NRA Secretly Supporting Gun Control?

[Kirk Freeman]

if gun control goes away, what happens to their jobs?

Does this particular notion apply to GOA? What happens to Larry Pratt if gun control goes away? See! GOA and JPFO and the SAF are secretly (in an underground secret lair) supporting gun control because if they don't they will lose their jobs. Oh, yeah, and Alan Gura is secret supporting gun control because if there is no gun control then he doesn't get his name in the paper.

This is like that episode of The Simpsons were the kids are in the treehouse trying to figure where all the adults were after work.

Nothing happens to their jobs. The NRA's focus is not on gun control. Heck it took Harlon Carter years and the revolution of 1977 to get NRA to implement the ILA/PVF.

NRA would go back to marksmanship promotion, hunting and trap and range development which a majority of its resources are devoted to anywho.

 

[96firephoenix]

fair answer, Kirk, but a lot of the NRA lobbyists will no longer have anything to lobby.

 

[dwh79]

Nobody's perfect but I would say the NRA is pro gun. Yes you may not agree with some of there choices to support but they are a single issue organization. No they are not rabid but not all gun owners are and if they come across as rabid they will not have the power they have now. Everyone can decide if they want a rabid group with no pull or a moderate group with pull. You can decide by either joining them or another organization.

 

[wag1911]

I couldn't disagree more with one of the statements that if gun laws were declared unconstitutional and repealed, the NRA would be unnecessary.

Umm, safety initiatives, marksmanship programs and crime legislation lobbying come to mind quickly. The NRA was started in 1871 before the progressive onslaught started, and will be here well after.

While I do not like the 'tit-for-tat' method of erradicating gun controls, we have to remember that our system has been hijacked over the last 100 years by those who 'tit-for-tatted' our rights away. Like a chisel hammering year-by-year.

The chisel is being replaced with a mason who is patching things up in much the same way, year-by-year. In my eyes it is a strategy that has been too slow, but to say the strategy has been unsuccessful would be dishonest.

I think the NRA is one group helping to get our rights back. However getting all of our rights back in one swoop is not going to happen unless there is a tsunami of support to do so.....I'm seeing a surfing wave of support, but I am not sure it is enough yet. Still too many who do not get involved. I think gun controls can be completely erradicated in my lifetime but I'm still fairly young.

The NRA is not going away - much like the Replublican party. So you have two options, get on-board and try to change things through education, vocalization and member voting (see blogs like this Recall Joaquin Jackson), or support other organizations which are more inline with your positions.

In my case, I do both! If you are doing neither, then quit b*tching because you are a part of the problem. Our founding fathers pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. What are you doing?

I'm not completely happy with the NRA but I also recognize that it can be changed. It won't happen unless people get involved and start vocalizing their displeasure from within (I.E. don't expect the NRA to listen to folks who are not members).

If you have a problem with the NRA's strategy than become a 5-year member and get voting rights so that you can target the Board and get rid of people like Joaquin Jackson.

 

[Duncan]

They seem to forget that even if we won our full second amendment rights back, they would still be needed. They do a great job of providing and backing shooting sports, and keep the government from closing land to hunting and other recreational shooting.

They just seem to forget that little thing, so it is in their best interest if our government tramples our constitutional rights. Or at least they want us to think so.

With all due respect ... you can believe this but I don't . As far as they being the Guardians .
There is plenty of evidence to conclude they are part of the problem.
As far as shooting sports .. OK I'll give you that .
If you want recreation .. fine ... what the 2ND Amend. is all about is
putting bullets into people as a last resort for defense.
Thanks
Duncan

 

[Kirk Freeman]

fair answer, Kirk, but a lot of the NRA lobbyists will no longer have anything to lobby.

They will have Congress to lobby but it will be directed toward funneling P-R funds or law enforcement training, inter alia.

Does the same concern apply to GOA, SAF or JPFO? Why is the NRA inherently suspect? This just seems juvenile, like teenage girls lashing out at their fathers or The Simpsons episode that I cited earlier.

 

[Duncan]

It seems people will believe anything. That and be perfectly willing to bite the hand that feeds them. The NRA isn't perfect, but it also doesn't have some secret intention to keep itself relevant by pushing for gun control. The bottom line is that the NRA is the only pro-gun organization that actually holds some sway in Washington.

You're right it's not a secret .
Duncan

 

[Duncan]

The fact that the NRA supported Project Exile (along with their buddies at the Brady bunch) speaks volumes about their gun control efforts.

Don't forget they backed the Instant Background Checks and the NFA of 1934
Duncan

 

[wag1911]

Does this particular notion apply to GOA? What happens to Larry Pratt if gun control goes away? See! GOA and JPFO and the SAF are secretly (in an underground secret lair) supporting gun control because if they don't they will lose their jobs. Oh, yeah, and Alan Gura is secret supporting gun control because if there is no gun control then he doesn't get his name in the paper.

NRA would go back to marksmanship promotion, hunting and trap and range development which a majority of its resources are devoted to anywho.

Exactly.....

 

[Duncan]

What's this you have seen?



Supporting federal prosecution of criminals who possess firearms would seem to be a optimal political move and in line with past NRA positioning.

Buddy you just made the point for me .

Oh If I remember Project exile was for ANY Fed. Gun Violation .
Like maybe a 922r ?
Somebody that put a folder on the wrong year of AK ?
Duncan

 

[IndyGunSafety]

More conspiracy theories, no evidence. You have no idea how badly "OUR" cause is damaged with this kind of garbage.

 

[pdg45acp]

More conspiracy theories, no evidence. You have no idea how badly "OUR" cause is damaged with this kind of garbage.

Attention is what they want, negative or otherwise, they could care less about the consequences of their conspiracy theories.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Oh If I remember Project exile was for ANY Fed. Gun Violation .
Like maybe a 922r ?
Somebody that put a folder on the wrong year of AK ?

Good grief Where does this nonsense come from?

The jealous rage and ramblings of Larry Pratt? The round-the-bend Wookie cries of L. Neil Smith? People angry at the NRA like a teen-age girl angry at her father for not providing a perfect world?

Project Exile was designed to send those with violent felony convictions and caught possessing firearms to federal court where they would face mandatory sentencing regime of the federal courts. If they have a prior felony then it does NOT matter what year they put a folding stock on an AK!!! You have to be a convicted felon to qualify for Project Exile! Which blog is spreading this nonsense and why is everyone at INGO reading it?

Project Exile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Project Exile, which was confined to Richmond and surrounding areas, has since been supplanted by Virginia Exile, the Commonwealth's statewide program which carries bail restrictions and imposes a mandatory minimum sentence of five years in a Virginia prison for those who:

• have a prior conviction for a violent felony and are convicted of possessing a firearm;
• are convicted of possessing a firearm on school property with the intent to use it, or displaying it in a threatening manner;
• are convicted of possessing a firearm and Schedule I or II drugs such as cocaine or heroin, or convicted of possessing more than a pound of marijuana with the intent to sell

 

[SavageEagle]

The NRA isn't perfect, but it also doesn't have some secret intention to keep itself relevant by pushing for gun control.

More conspiracy theories, no evidence. You have no idea how badly "OUR" cause is damaged with this kind of garbage.

ORLY?

So this is just the NRA fighting FOR gun rights?
NRA at odds with gun law reform in Georgia - Atlanta gun rights | Examiner.com
By killing reform that would have made carry legal in Georgia in college campuses and churches? That's how they fight tooth and nail for gun rights? Give me a break. I'll pass on the kool-aid. Kthx.

 

[Jack Ryan]

The fact that the NRA supported Project Exile (along with their buddies at the Brady bunch) speaks volumes about their gun control efforts.

Project Exile - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

NRA-ILA :: Targeting Criminals, Not Gun Owners

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/XcIBViewItem.asp?ID=720

The NRA is the dog here. It really doesn't matter what the rest of the "tails" want. The only relevance they have at all in the political arena is in relation to the way the dog wags them not the way they wag on the dog. You guys gripe and belly ache and think you should be dictating the way the NRA operates and yelp about how much better some of these other upstarts are but in the end, just as exhibited here, it is the NRA that has the power to have an affect on government policy.

If any of these others can do better then their only gripe is in the mirror. Why didn't they? The didn't because they are small time, ineffective, late comers with no power or political affect. The only way they get noticed at all is by blaming the organization with the power for using it as they see fit and all the little yappers sit outside the fence accomplishing nothing.

 

[antsi]

if gun control goes away, what happens to their jobs?

This is a favorite on internet gunboards, but it doesn't fly.

First: Over 95% of NRA activity and funding goes to training, competition, and other functions directly related to actual shooting. The NRA-ILA is the political action organization, and is a relatively tiny part of the organization. If gun control suddenly disappeared tomorrow, the boom in shooting sports activity would far more than offset the loss of political activity - the NRA would grow by leaps and bounds.

Second: You could say the same thing about any profession or organization. Cops don't really want to stamp out crime, firemen don't really want to prevent fires, doctors and nurses are secretly spreading disease to make people sick... and so on and so forth... all to protect their own job security.

Third: This "argument" applies even more strongly to GOA, JPFO, etc., because these organizations do not have any nonpolitical activities or functions - ie, they really would be without any functions if gun control dried up and blew away.

 

[antsi]

Don't forget they backed the Instant Background Checks

The anti-gunners put forward a system that was going to take 3 to 5 days for a background check, and they had the votes in Congress to pass it - ie, it was going to pass no matter what the NRA did or didn't do.

What the NRA did was push for a change in the legislation to make it instant.

Of course, I'm sure that was just part of their conspiracy to brainwash Indiana gun owners into voting for Harry Reid by using mind control rays they got from the Martians to influence the Pope

 

[SavageEagle]

ORLY?

So this is just the NRA fighting FOR gun rights?
NRA at odds with gun law reform in Georgia - Atlanta gun rights | Examiner.com
By killing reform that would have made carry legal in Georgia in college campuses and churches? That's how they fight tooth and nail for gun rights? Give me a break. I'll pass on the kool-aid. Kthx.

So.... no explanation as to why they would shoot down two very obviously GOOD amendments to this bill? Ignoring the 800lbs Gorilla in the room?

I expect to hear the "This is an isolated event" excuse or something along those lines.

 

[dukeboy_318]

All I know is the NRA has chosen to back some interesting characters, time will tell before I renew my membership

 

[Duncan]

The anti-gunners put forward a system that was going to take 3 to 5 days for a background check, and they had the votes in Congress to pass it - ie, it was going to pass no matter what the NRA did or didn't do.

What the NRA did was push for a change in the legislation to make it instant.

Of course, I'm sure that was just part of their conspiracy to brainwash Indiana gun owners into voting for Harry Reid by using mind control rays they got from the Martians to influence the Pope

Well there was no conspiracy . They plan very well in the light of day and make public what they want to do .

What they display is a lack of will , courage and most of all character .

thanks
Duncan