If you are carrying in Indy and in downtown, read this

[Kirk Freeman]

Don't ask for my gun. Don't shout at me. Don't assault me and for God's sake don't shoot me.

Stay out of Broad Ripple then.

Gunowners, please don't handle your holstered weapon in public unless you are required to do so by life threatening circumstance.

Ummm, it is the police who are handling weapons in public, pointing guns at bicyclists, joggers and moms in strollers. You are warning the wrong people.

As for the feckless news conference I think we should remember that these statements are made for the Friends of Downtown and the Chamber of Commerce. The police are helpless to prevent the thuggery on display as it is not their doing. It comes from a culture that the police are not in a position to disrupt (nor should the police be expected to be able to do anything about this).

If the Chamber of Commerce wants more officers walking a beat, O.K., no harm in that. In fact it would be good to get them out of their cars and doing more old fashion policing (peace officer vs. enforcer), you know actually walking a beat.

I am curious what an "illegal gun" is, though

Chamber of Commerce talk. They don't know either, but it sounded good when the speech writer drafted it.

I'll not stop going downtown Indy, as I have to for the gig. I do enjoy going there and will not make any change to my social plans because of the actions of a few street thugs in a club.

 

[ATM]

So, crime fighting experts.....please tell us exactly how a cop who has never laid eyes on you before is going to make the determination as to whether you are a complete psycho with a stolen gun who came downtown just to shoot somebody or a law abiding citizen.

The same way they determine who is just driving downtown and who is going to run someone over with their stolen vehicle in a crazy fit of rage.

You're not expecting too much of them, are you?

 

[USMC_0311]

Just a thought. If you were the guy who had to do the job, and you saw somebody carrying a handgun, wouldn't your first thought be about safety, both for yourself and others? You whiners who yap about being treated like a criminal until proven innocent apparently think somebody can tell just be looking at you that you are not a criminal. So, crime fighting experts.....please tell us exactly how a cop who has never laid eyes on you before is going to make the determination as to whether you are a complete psycho with a stolen gun who came downtown just to shoot somebody or a law abiding citizen.

Its not their job to look at me and determin anything, unless I break the law in front of them. They are a reactionary force plain and simple.

 

[Dogman]

I am curious what an "illegal gun" is, though.
Blessings,
Bill

Guns that came north from Mexico without papers.

 

[GIJEW]

Couple things...

Um...how do they know if you're a legal (and law-abiding) gun owner or not, unless the plan is to treat everybody like they are bad guys until they sort out the difference?

I hope my gun smells legal.
I better start using Hoppes instead of Ballistol. 1946 says Ballistol stinks...I don't want that to be confused with "illegal".

 

[Bubba]

...please tell us exactly how a cop who has never laid eyes on you before is going to make the determination as to whether you are a complete psycho with a stolen gun who came downtown just to shoot somebody or a law abiding citizen.

By asking the Precogs, of course. I didn't realize we were at the point of initiating enforcement actions because of what someone might do. If that's the case, why aren't the IMPD officers that are staking out the bars [strike]oogling the hawt wimmenz[/strike] gathering intel on "illegal guns" confiscating driver's licenses from everyone who possesses car keys? I'd wager there are far more drunk drivers than unlicensed handgun carriers downtown on a given Friday or Saturday.

 

[jsgolfman]

DRob, seriously re-read what you wrote and then see if you would like to make any changes.

 

[theweakerbrother]

Like others have already said... What's an illegal gun?

 

[INGunGuy]

Just a thought. If you were the guy who had to do the job, and you saw somebody carrying a handgun, wouldn't your first thought be about safety, both for yourself and others? You whiners who yap about being treated like a criminal until proven innocent apparently think somebody can tell just be looking at you that you are not a criminal. So, crime fighting experts.....please tell us exactly how a cop who has never laid eyes on you before is going to make the determination as to whether you are a complete psycho with a stolen gun who came downtown just to shoot somebody or a law abiding citizen.

Well lets see, how many people come into downtown Indy on a daily basis? Anyone have an idea? I would venture to say AT LEAST 200,000 on a daily basis, I may be way off, and even if I am, to have 3 people shot in 3 weeks make it a pretty low percentage of people who get shot in downtown Indy.

Whiners? Is that what we are, I think we are citizens who stand up for our rights to NOT be infringed upon by ANYONE LEO or civilian. Nope, you cant tell if a person is a criminal by looking at them, but I would say that if a person is OCing in downtown Indy, the chances of them being a criminal are almost NIL. Why would a criminal want to display the fact they are illegally carrying a firearm?

As for how to have a cop tell if I am a crazed criminal, they cant, and that is one of the difficulties in living in a FREE SOCIETY, it is dangerous, and there is NOTHING and I mean NOTHING that LEO can do to mitigate that danger. It is dangerous to fly, drive a car, go fishing, even sitting in your easy chair at home. Should LEO be allowed to make sure you are a proper person just because it is in the name of safety? Nope sorry, I am not willing to give up my rights.

There better be PC or RAS before you make ANY contact other than a "good day" as we pass one another. Dont ask me for my LTCH, DL, gun, or name because you wont get it, and if I am illegally detained then Indiana will be sending my kids to college and purchasing my retirement villa in Spain.

INGunGuy

 

[Kirk Freeman]

please tell us exactly how a cop who has never laid eyes on you before is going to make the determination as to whether you are a complete psycho with a stolen gun who came downtown just to shoot somebody or a law abiding citizen

By the presence or absence of coffee.

Coffee+University of Texas t-shirt=dangerous suspect who must be yelled at, spit upon and have a pistol of his waved around Broad Ripple.

Any other questions?

 

[singlesix]

They had to do something because of the media attention of late, and that the Super Bowl will be here next year. This is just another Sugar Pill for public consumption. I don't plan to change my behavior one bit because of the latest shootings. I never thought downtown was safe. I work downtown and also spend time in the evenings for dinner, head on a swivel is all I have to say.

 

[jeremy]

Just a thought. If you were the guy who had to do the job, and you saw somebody carrying a handgun, wouldn't your first thought be about safety, both for yourself and others? You whiners who yap about being treated like a criminal until proven innocent apparently think somebody can tell just be looking at you that you are not a criminal. So, crime fighting experts.....please tell us exactly how a cop who has never laid eyes on you before is going to make the determination as to whether you are a complete psycho with a stolen gun who came downtown just to shoot somebody or a law abiding citizen.

Who cares if Anyone is walking around carrying a Handgun. As long as they are not using it in appropriately?!
As far as Criminals Carrying a Handgun most will be carrying Concealed anyway. How about you just start searching everyone to see if they are CCW'ing a Handgun. That actually makes more sense than stopping someone OC'ing...

By the Way I have no problem with anyone not in Confinement carrying a Weapon. The paid their Debt and were deemed fit and safe for release back into Society. Right?!

You know what I am tired of listening to People who think it is Perfectly acceptable to give away someone else's Rights for Their own little peice of Security. Why don't those that want to have Security man up and realize that the Only way to Guarantee Their Security is by stopping to compromise at every turn.

When the **** did America the Home of the Free and the Land of the Brave turn into Home of the chained and the Nambi-Pambi land...

 

[long coat]

You whiners who yap about being treated like a criminal until proven innocent apparently think somebody can tell just be looking at you that you are not a criminal. So, LEO experts.....please tell us exactly how a citizen who has never laid eyes on you before is going to make the determination as to whether you are a complete psycho with a badge & gun who came downtown just to get drunk and run over someone, shakedown someone or a law abiding LEO.

Fixed it for you, it works both ways...

 

[Fargo]

By the presence or absence of coffee.

Coffee+University of Texas t-shirt=dangerous suspect who must be yelled at, spit upon and have a pistol of his waved around Broad Ripple.

Any other questions?

Completely serious question: Why didn't you 1983 them? One of the reasons becoming a lawyer appealed to me was that I would actually know how to assert my rights within the legal system and be able to without bankruptcy.

Best,

Joe

 

[E5RANGER375]

Just a thought. If you were the guy who had to do the job, and you saw somebody carrying a handgun, wouldn't your first thought be about safety, both for yourself and others? You whiners who yap about being treated like a criminal until proven innocent apparently think somebody can tell just be looking at you that you are not a criminal. So, crime fighting experts.....please tell us exactly how a cop who has never laid eyes on you before is going to make the determination as to whether you are a complete psycho with a stolen gun who came downtown just to shoot somebody or a law abiding citizen.

all I ask is that the cops follow the law. Its not my concern how they do it, or how they stay safe. Im not a cop. Im a citizen and I know my rights and they take priority over all other things because thats what ensures my safety, from tyrants and criminals whoever that may be. Im required to show my LTCH if asked by an LEO. thats what they will get on the street. nothing more, nothing less. not my drivers license and certainly not my gun to go run checks on it or empty it and set me up to be victimized.

 

[E5RANGER375]

Fixed it for you, it works both ways...

 

[E5RANGER375]

By asking the Precogs, of course. I didn't realize we were at the point of initiating enforcement actions because of what someone might do. If that's the case, why aren't the IMPD officers that are staking out the bars [strike]oogling the hawt wimmenz[/strike] gathering intel on "illegal guns" confiscating driver's licenses from everyone who possesses car keys? I'd wager there are far more drunk drivers than unlicensed handgun carriers downtown on a given Friday or Saturday.

so much win here.

 

[DRob]

True

Fixed it for you, it works both ways...

It does work both ways, sometimes. You can't tell the players without a program. That's why cops wear a uniform. At least they've got a pretty good idea who's on their team! Everybody else is an unknown. Not easy to deal with but it's the hand they're dealt.

 

[E5RANGER375]

It does work both ways, sometimes. You can't tell the players without a program. That's why cops wear a uniform. At least they've got a pretty good idea who's on their team! Everybody else is an unknown. Not easy to deal with but it's the hand they're dealt.

that means nothing to me. nothing. fake cops wear them too and pull people over.
so why wouldnt i wanna self identify and hand over my weapon and be unarmed? oh yeah, thats right ... so I dont get killed by a lunatic posing as a cop.
Also even if I know they are a cop, I dont immediately trust them. I have met a lot of worthless cops (was related to one too, he liked to beat women and kids). A lot of good cops too (some, that I have the privilege of calling my friends). so until I figure out which one they are, I will be on guard.

 

[E5RANGER375]

Who cares if Anyone is walking around carrying a Handgun. As long as they are not using it in appropriately?!
As far as Criminals Carrying a Handgun most will be carrying Concealed anyway. How about you just start searching everyone to see if they are CCW'ing a Handgun. That actually makes more sense than stopping someone OC'ing...

By the Way I have no problem with anyone not in Confinement carrying a Weapon. The paid their Debt and were deemed fit and safe for release back into Society. Right?!

You know what I am tired of listening to People who think it is Perfectly acceptable to give away someone else's Rights for Their own little peice of Security. Why don't those that want to have Security man up and realize that the Only way to Guarantee Their Security is by stopping to compromise at every turn.

When the **** did America the Home of the Free and the Land of the Brave turn into Home of the chained and the Nambi-Pambi land...

im all out of rep so thats why I have to quote all of you to show my acceptance. but Jeremy, you truly hit it on the head here! you couldnt be more right in everything you just said in my opinion. Someone else false feelings of safety is never more important than our rights. NEVER! cop, citizen, president, astronaut, porn star, I dont care who you are. unalienable rights!!!