Max Michel World Shoot Video

[downrange72]

Todd Jarett
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVw84eg8IX8

TJ appeared to pull off 3-4 pieces of steel. Also, it looks like he had to make a few make up shots on swingers. At least, he saw it quickly.

Bypassing that target and going back cost him in the overall.

Overall, it is nice to see that sometimes, the elite GM's can be human.

 

[sbcman]

Thanks for posting this Jake. I especially appreciated the revolver guys. Matt is incredible but the tape does show why Jerry always catches him- Jerry moves much more consistently through the whole course. I guess he lives what he preaches "If you ain't moving, you're losing!"

Now I need to learn to do that too.

 

[jakemartens]

Just like golf. I wonder how good I would be with space age equipment, all the fee ammo I want, advice from the best coaches/shooters in the world, and the most important part...spandex shirts. Not to take away from their immense amount of talent but, they do have every advantage too.

It is not like these guys showed up at a range one day and there was a guy standing there holding a check, a pallet of ammo and a gun and bam they were winning.
Pretty sure that doesn't happen in golf either.


Some of the things that really stuck out to me were
-movement, it is explosive. But it is still contained to no more or no less than what is needed.
- Every shooter never brings the gun down below the top center of their chest, it is always at a place where it is just extending their arms out when moving into a position. They never have to bring the gun up
-lots of 3rd shots and instant make up shots on steel
-transitions, there is no wasted time or movement to targets. They are driving the gun into the next target
-last shot in a position, there is no standing there looking at their targets, the break the last shot and they are exploded out of that position and moving
-when moving into a position, they are slowing with their legs, and striding in while obtaining a sight picture. None of this run to a spot, stop, bring gun up, find sights, then shoot. They are arriving at the spot in their shooting position.

 

[kyotekilr]

I have already said twice that they have an immense amount of talent. That was not the issue.


I guess you guys are right their state of the art equipment and facilities plays no factor in their performance. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

 

[Coach]

I have already said twice that they have an immense amount of talent. That was not the issue.


I guess you guys are right their state of the art equipment and facilities plays no factor in their performance. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Lots of guys have the same guns and a place to shoot and the time and cannot do it like this. Your acknowledgement of their talent is off base as well. It takes more than those things to be great at anything. You cannot seem to grasp that, and we cannot seem to make it clear to you.

So you are right. They have better guns that everyone else in the whole world and that is why they can do these things.

Rob Leatham can do what he does because he spent his life doing it and working hard. The same is true for these guys. If anybody could write the check and buy the equipment and do this there would be a lot more people doing it.

 

[jakemartens]

I have already said twice that they have an immense amount of talent. That was not the issue.


I guess you guys are right their state of the art equipment and facilities plays no factor in their performance. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

I think you are referring to the type of gun that many of them are shooting since most of these videos were of Open Division Shooters.
Open Division allows the use of optic sights and compensators on the guns, everyone in that division only competes against each other.
If you are shooting a Glock 17, you would be shooting in the production division and only against others in that same division.

 

[kyotekilr]

You cannot deny that their equipment and facilities makes them better shooters. If not why would they bother. Beyond that, you cannot deny that everyone who has the same advantages are not better because of it. Likewise, I wonder how much better I would be given the same advantages.

Read my posts and don't put words into my mouth.

Lots of people practice year around with all of the same advantages as the shooters on this thread. However, why do we see the same shooters winning every year? Talent.

I don't know why you cannot seem to grasp this?

I'm not sure how I could be any clearer

 

[BillD]

What advantages do they have that you don't?

Nice guns, ammo, ranges, what?

 

[Rob377]

Huh. Who'da thunk all I needed to be a world champ GM is a wiz-bang gun, more ammo, and a spandex shirt?

Chizzle keeps telling me I need an open gun.....maybe he's on to something!

 

[kyotekilr]

Huh. Who'da thunk all I needed to be a world champ GM is a wiz-bang gun, more ammo, and a spandex shirt?

Chizzle keeps telling me I need an open gun.....maybe he's on to something!

I have never said that it would make me a world champ. All I have said and saying is that I wonder how much better I would be.

I shoot what I carry. I know that if I had optics on a compensated gun that was custom fit for me I would be better shooter right out of the gate.

Is that not a reasonable statement?

 

[Coach]

You cannot deny that their equipment and facilities makes them better shooters. If not why would they bother. Beyond that, you cannot deny that everyone who has the same advantages are not better because of it. Likewise, I wonder how much better I would be given the same advantages.

Read my posts and don't put words into my mouth.

Lots of people practice year around with all of the same advantages as the shooters on this thread. However, why do we see the same shooters winning every year? Talent.

I don't know why you cannot seem to grasp this?

I'm not sure how I could be any clearer

No one has put words in your mouth. Every gun those guys shoot is available to the general public. Many people in this state own the same guns and cannot shoot like the GM's can.

Rob Leatham and all of us can strap on a XDM 5.25 and we cannot compete with him, and it is not because of equipment.

Talent is a just another excuse used by folks to make themselves feel better not being as good. Nine times out of ten those guys are where they are from drive and hard work. Max Michel has been working on his shooting since he was a kid. Made GM at 15, and has not looked back.

Talent and gear will only take you so far. Blood and sweat is what most of us are missing. It does not matter the sport or the activity this is the case.

 

[BillD]

That is a reasonable statement.

I and several others I know have custom guns, not unlike what the pro's run. I can spend about as much money as I want on ammo(reloading components). I shot more than Rob Vogel last year.

I'm still a B class shooter.

 

[kyotekilr]

What advantages do they have that you don't?

Nice guns, ammo, ranges, what?

To me it not having a nice gun that I am talking about but having the right gun. some guns are built for speed, some for accuracy, and some for practicality. They have the right equipment. There is no doubt that if they shoot with my EDC (which is what I shoot with) they would blow me out of the water. But would they beat their best time? No way.

 

[kyotekilr]

That is a reasonable statement.

I and several others I know have custom guns, not unlike what the pro's run. I can spend about as much money as I want on ammo(reloading components). I shot more than Rob Vogel last year.

I'm still a B class shooter.

Do you not think your custom gun makes you a better shooter? If not then why use it?

 

[BillD]

Oh, yes it does. But I can't strap on a custom gun and shoot GM, M or even A scores.

 

[Rob377]

I have never said that it would make me a world champ. All I have said and saying is that I wonder how much better I would be.

I shoot what I carry. I know that if I had optics on a compensated gun that was custom fit for me I would be better shooter right out of the gate.

Is that not a reasonable statement?

Superficially, maybe it's reasonable. But, there's a word for this kind of thing - "specious"

consider this: You'd be shooting against other shooters with comps and a dot in Open division. Your times might be better, but that doesn't mean you've become any better a shooter relative to others or even yourself.
"being a better shooter" means YOU are able to shoot better with a given piece of gear. "better shooter" isn't gear dependent, its SKILLS dependent.

I go from a wiz-bang comp/dot .22 buckmark to a plain ol' production CZ in the same day. Obviously, my times are better with the wiz-bang 22. Does that mean I am a "better shooter" one minute, then suddenly lose my skills when I pick up the production gun 1 minute later?

Nope.

And therein lies your mistaken premise.

 

[kyotekilr]

Rob Leatham and all of us can strap on a XDM 5.25 and we cannot compete with him, and it is not because of equipment.
.

But would he beat his best time?

I am only considering my abilities not Leatham's. Having a gun setup strictly for competition would improve my competition shooting.

 

[HICKMAN]

I have already said twice that they have an immense amount of talent. That was not the issue.


I guess you guys are right their state of the art equipment and facilities plays no factor in their performance. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Vogel is a cop and shoots a Glock... not much "state of the art" about that is there?

 

[Rob377]

Vogel is a cop and shoots a Glock... not much "state of the art" about that is there?

I read an interview awhile back in which he described his world shoot rig. IIRC, it was darn near stock, wasn't it?

 

[HICKMAN]

I shoot what I carry. I know that if I had optics on a compensated gun that was custom fit for me I would be better shooter right out of the gate.

many of us do, and there are divisions, Production, Limited 10 and Single Stack, for those that don't have race guns.