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[theweakerbrother]

I don't go ninjun no one that don't need ninjun'.

 

[Coach]

To answer your two questions:
1) All the freaking time.
2) Very very far behind.

Looking like you came down from Mt. Olympus does not mean you are going to win the fight. I have personally proven it to several in my youth. Many people have an over inflated view of their ability. I have also had that demonstrated to me.

 

[drillsgt]

Confident, and if you're not your already at a disadvantage.

 

[Sylvain]

Looking like you came down from Mt. Olympus does not mean you are going to win the fight. I have personally proven it to several in my youth. Many people have an over inflated view of their ability. I have also had that demonstrated to me.

I should have put some purple in my post.
I agree with what you say.

I have myself won fights over people much taller and heavier than me, they are usually not used to people figthing them back and the heavier they are the harder they fall.

 

[matt4shadow]

Within five feet, I can go toe to toe with just about anyone. I may not win everytime, but feel good about my chances. Farther than five feet....I can run can't I?

 

[bwframe]

Game changer?

OK, you are blind sided and open your eyes to find yourself on the ground. What now?

 

[iChokePeople]

OK, you are blind sided and open your eyes to find yourself on the ground. What now?

Oh please Brer Fox, whatever you do, please don't throw me in the briar patch.

 

[Hemingway]

OK, you are blind sided and open your eyes to find yourself on the ground. What now?

That's why I train repeatedly to build muscle memory: I can throw up a wad of cash and take off running from any position.

 

[jdhaines]

That's why I train repeatedly to build muscle memory: I can throw up a wad of cash and take off running from any position.

Throwing a wad of cash doesn't work. That's just silly. What you need is hobo chaff. Aircraft can dump loads of chaff to try and disrupt incoming missles and such...you need something equally effective. Hobo chaff is the answer.

Keep a pocket loaded full of nickels. When you see a hobo who looks a bit skeevy, you throw the nickels up in the air in his direction, and run the other way. When they come down and make that sound, he'll be forced to stop and pick them all up effecting your escape.

Hell I even bought the hat.

Also,

 

[Hemingway]

WHAT!? Nickels are worth like $.07 each these days. I'm hoarding all of them I can.

I'll consider carrying some of those Chuck E Cheese tokens as a distraction.

 

[bwframe]

No one has anything for the ground fight? I could be wrong, but I think this is where my "fight" will be. I don't really get into fights. If I'm in a fight, I've been attacked. Why would you plan for anything less than the worst? IMHO the worst is a surprise attack that puts you on the ground.

 

[SSGSAD]

Well, for those of you, that don't know me, or have never met me, I am 5'9" tall, and weigh around 215... I am a partially DAV, and I CAN"T fight... So what happens, is SOMEONE gets shot ..... that is all ....
This is post 2900 ..... hooray .....

 

[Coach]

No one has anything for the ground fight? I could be wrong, but I think this is where my "fight" will be. I don't really get into fights. If I'm in a fight, I've been attacked. Why would you plan for anything less than the worst? IMHO the worst is a surprise attack that puts you on the ground.

On the ground is going to be my best area. Been involved in wreslting since 1983. It takes years and lots of experience to become good at getting and maintaining control of another person in such a situation. Just getting away from another person is going to be tough, especially if they know what they are doing. If the attacker is a wrestler and the person being attacked is not they are not getting away probably with or without tools.

 

[arctic427]

Its all about mind set and survival if u truly have the right mind set and your never un armed plus anything can be used as a weapon in a pince. Life isnt fair and nether are fights u do what ever u have to to walk away alive.

 

[bwframe]

On the ground is going to be my best area. Been involved in wreslting since 1983. It takes years and lots of experience to become good at getting and maintaining control of another person in such a situation. Just getting away from another person is going to be tough, especially if they know what they are doing. If the attacker is a wrestler and the person being attacked is not they are not getting away probably with or without tools.

This is good, just what I'm looking for!
What would a wrestler not be ready for me to do? Ie. cobra kick, poke out eyes, etc.
What would freak them out to show them it's time to run? Ie kubaton/closed knife strikes.
Will a wrestler just take you down or will they size you up (beyond size?) Ie, would seeing a knife clipped in pocket hinder them?
What is a wrestler's first few moves?
Where is a gap to deploy weapons? Either hand?

Again, I'm not a fighter. If I'm in a fight, I've been attacked. To me it's not about bravado or winning a fight. It's about survival. If the opportunity arises, I'm going to blade(s.) Is a wrestler gonna keep coming after being cut?

 

[lovemachine]

This is good, just what I'm looking for!
What would a wrestler not be ready for me to do? Ie. cobra kick, poke out eyes, etc.
What would freak them out to show them it's time to run? Ie kubaton/closed knife strikes.
Will a wrestler just take you down or will they size you up (beyond size?) Ie, would seeing a knife clipped in pocket hinder them?
What is a wrestler's first few moves?
Where is a gap to deploy weapons? Either hand?

Again, I'm not a fighter. If I'm in a fight, I've been attacked. To me it's not about bravado or winning a fight. It's about survival. If the opportunity arises, I'm going to blade(s.) Is a wrestler gonna keep coming after being cut?

I dunno if a wrestler would keep coming. But I'm sure a blade would make their grip on you weaken, possibly enough to get yourself loose.

 

[jdhaines]

Guys...why not try some of these things? It's really not that hard to try it, and you can do it without injury for people all the way up to pretty serious disabilities. Our little group has used the chess drill to work with some people who weren't capable of doing full-on rolling, striking with gloves/headgear, or wrestling. It works more than you think, and you can actually get a few things figured out with it.

This video explains it very briefly. I realize this is for jits, but if can be used for many things. Remember to go slow, one at a time, and don't resist while the other guy is "moving." It's simply a thought drill to allow you the time you need to process what is happening and think of a way out. The things you see, feel, and figure out during this drill is very valuable. You can always ramp up the intensity but for those that haven't done any type of unarmed combatives, it can be eye opening.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4Z46KyCWo8&feature=related[/ame]

After doing this for awhile, you can slowly ramp it up speed, power, intensity, length of time, etc at a rate that works for everyone involved. We use this drill a lot for grappling because sometimes the positions happen so quickly you don't have time to really think of what is happening, how he underhooked your arm, how you got choked, etc. This lets you analyze backwards 3 moves and realize if you would have kept your arms in tight, you wouldn't be in this position (or whatever).

Even if you don't do this particular drill...get a blue gun, training knife, and some old carpet padding and get to work.

I dunno if a wrestler would keep coming. But I'm sure a blade would make their grip on you weaken, possibly enough to get yourself loose.

Along these lines...how many people have had a wreslter "wrestle" them while trying to access a blade clipped in your pocket. MUCH MUCH harder than you think it might be. That goes double for drawing a gun from behind your hip. I would argue that a decent sophmore wrestler could stop a weapon access on many people who have never practiced it before. Same for someone with entry level jitz once grounded.

 

[jve153]

being relatively small, 5-6 and 160 lbs, if i am in an altercation, and i HAVE to fight, its going to the ground. those are my best odds. i was lucky enough to learn wrestling from our own coach, and while my skills may be a bit rusty, that mindset will never leave. seeing a knife in a pocket (and being able to notice it) would definately change my plan of counterattack concentrating mainly on hand that has knife in pocket.

 

[bwframe]

being relatively small, 5-6 and 160 lbs, if i am in an altercation, and i HAVE to fight, its going to the ground. those are my best odds. i was lucky enough to learn wrestling from our own coach, and while my skills may be a bit rusty, that mindset will never leave. seeing a knife in a pocket (and being able to notice it) would definately change my plan of counterattack concentrating mainly on hand that has knife in pocket.

Along these lines...how many people have had a wreslter "wrestle" them while trying to access a blade clipped in your pocket. MUCH MUCH harder than you think it might be. That goes double for drawing a gun from behind your hip. I would argue that a decent sophmore wrestler could stop a weapon access on many people who have never practiced it before. Same for someone with entry level jitz once grounded.

Great info guys. Thanks

So what is my best defense against an attacker who is a wrestler? Obviously, I'll have to be fast, but where is their weakness or gap?

Will they try to take me to the ground by going low? Leaving head and neck exposed?
Will they immobilize both of my arms?
Do wrestlers work in a strong side vs. weak side fashion?
Would a strong side knife fake take focus from a weak side Karambit or neck knife deployment?

 

[jve153]

as with any attacker, keep as much distance as possible. gouge eyes, bite off ears, do what ever you have to to stay alive. any fighting discipline has its flaws, but also teaches you to be able (if it involves sparring, grappling, etc in real time) to assess the situation as it evolves and will have somewhat trained you to think during the adrenaline dump that is occurring. a semi full contact sport like boxing, mma kickboxing would not hurt, that way if you ever do get clocked in the head, you have been there before and can react as opposed to just stand there dumbfounded.wrestling teaches body control, much more suited for defensive than offensive combat. it is hard to hold someone down with one hand to strike them with the other. there are a lot of holds that can be quite painful, but are more of a coersive aid to get someone to give up than to actually cause severe harm.