3 Unanswered Questions of Fast & Furious

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  • spec4

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    Good questions, but I think if this was going to really go anywhere it would have done so by now. IMO those responsible (Holder and Obama) will slide.
     

    gunowner930

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    1. Don't know, but it was approved by somebody high up in the DOJ. Cough Holder cough.

    2. Probably the same individual in question 1, including a bunch of lackeys in the DOJ.

    3. Because they didn't think they were going to get caught. These scumbags like Holder, Obama, and Clinton started calling for an AWB to combat a problem they created.

    Just guesses but I have a feeling they're at least partially correct. Not that I'd be excited if Romney gets any help, but I'd love to see some more congressional hearings on this matter in a couple months so its still fresh in the minds of voters come election time.
     

    gunowner930

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    I think he left out the main question, which is "Why didn't they track the guns????"

    Because they never intended on intercepting them???? I know that I'm not the only one saying this, but at least one of the goals of this operations was to get support for an AWB. They can continue to parrot U.S. guns to Mexico, U.S. guns to Mexico!!! Of course this is despite the fact, that they were the ones sending the guns.
     

    dross

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    The burning question for me:

    Was it an incompetent sting, or a competent attempt to create a problem where none existed?

    One should result in firings, the other in jail time.
     

    kludge

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    Not answers to the questions, but the gist of the process, and probably F&F is not the only incident...

    1. Decide what part of America that you hate and what part of it you want to engineer, socially. There is no time line. It takes as long as it takes, and costs what it costs. Money and human lives are not a consideration.

    2. Invent a problem and the solution to the problem that fits criterion #1.

    3. Create a distraction and implement the plan, guide the press in what they are supposed to say and not say. Since the lackeys in elected positions of "power" and the news media are owned by the same people, this is rather simple. Everyone just need to stay on point until the desired outcome is achieved. See #1.

    4. Don't get caught with your hand in the cookie jar.

    5. You are expendible, and we'll throw you under the political bus and we'll run your corpse and the horse you rode in on out of town on a rail if #4 happens.

    6. All of this make F&F very strange to me... no heads are rolling... something very suspicious is going on, and I can't put my finger on it.
     

    netsecurity

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    It seems more likely that they were arming one side of the Mexican cartels, which would be something only Obama could've authorized. Similar to what's about to happen in Syria, except under the table. If they can tie Obama to that it will be another Iran-Contra thing.
     

    csnoski

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    I Would Add a Fourth Question

    Why has Mexico been relatively silent over the whole deal? In my mind, it was nothing short of an act of war against them.

    How would America react if Mexico sent guns to Pakistan or the Taliban in an effort to 'see who the main gun buyers are'? Or some US city based group of gang bangers?

    Fast and Furious has really got me p*d off.
     

    IndyDave1776

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    Why has Mexico been relatively silent over the whole deal? In my mind, it was nothing short of an act of war against them.

    How would America react if Mexico sent guns to Pakistan or the Taliban in an effort to 'see who the main gun buyers are'? Or some US city based group of gang bangers?

    Fast and Furious has really got me p*d off.

    While I have absolutely no patience with this type of nonsense, Mexico is in a poor position to complain given the number of border violations their military commits on a seemingly regular basis, including escorting drug shipments. It really does make a weak position from which to cry 'foul'. Ditto for actively providing aid to those illegally crossing our border either as laborers or for more nefarious purposes in spite of Mexico having the second-harshest immigration laws right behind North Korea.
     

    csnoski

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    While I have absolutely no patience with this type of nonsense, Mexico is in a poor position to complain given the number of border violations their military commits on a seemingly regular basis, including escorting drug shipments. It really does make a weak position from which to cry 'foul'. Ditto for actively providing aid to those illegally crossing our border either as laborers or for more nefarious purposes in spite of Mexico having the second-harshest immigration laws right behind North Korea.


    All of what you say aside, I guess I was trying to get at what politcs are there in play that have kept Mexico from raising hell. The program could easily have been construed as an act of war. Are we arming one cartel to destroy the other cartels, or the Mexican gov't? What would we gain by further destabilizing Mexico? It was really too stupid just to be an effort at more gun control here, though I am sure that was one aim. Guess I fume about this with my tinfoil on.

    Yes, their treatment of illegals frosts me, too especially in light of their attitude about coming here. But that doesn't have much to do with F&F.
     

    IndyDave1776

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    All of what you say aside, I guess I was trying to get at what politcs are there in play that have kept Mexico from raising hell. The program could easily have been construed as an act of war. Are we arming one cartel to destroy the other cartels, or the Mexican gov't? What would we gain by further destabilizing Mexico? It was really too stupid just to be an effort at more gun control here, though I am sure that was one aim. Guess I fume about this with my tinfoil on.

    Yes, their treatment of illegals frosts me, too especially in light of their attitude about coming here. But that doesn't have much to do with F&F.

    I would say that we are in general agreement, but still, when talking things that can be construed as acts of war, Mexico would be picking a losing fight, media insistence on not reporting the events notwithstanding. Rather than merely sending guns, as I mentioned, they have been in the habit of sending troops along with the guns they send our way.
     
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