38 super pointed at my chest and trigger pulled.

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  • indiucky

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    The shop has been open less than a year and I had my first blatant "Are you (insert expeletive here) kidding me moment Saturday."

    Four young folks (early 20's) came into the shop. They were loud, obnoxious, each one asking 5 questions at once. One young guy saw the Kimber and said "Dag dog, That's a Kimberly, those are bad ass..." and kept saying it over and over. His buddy racked the bolt back on a mauser and kept trying to slam it shut without depressing the follower. I told him to quit it. he said , "I got it." and I then ordered him to bring the weapon to me and I showed him how to properly close the weapon and I then walked it back to the rack. My regulars were watching and I could tell they were "aware" as it seemed like nearly a dimly lit mini flash mob. As I said, everyone talking at once. The gentleman who couldn't close the bolt on the mauser then asked to see a Llama mini-max nickel in .38 super.

    I checked the weapon and handed it to him muzzle down. He racked the slide back, had it pointed at my chest and pulled the trigger. There was a click and in as calm a voice as I could muster I said, "Don't ever point a firearm at anyone ( I may have said me in a moment of selfishness) and definatley don't pull the trigger." Here is where it got amazingly weird. He actually said. "Don't worry man, it wasn't loaded." At that point I heard an intake of breath from one of my regulars and this is where I got a little louder and a bit more authorative in my language choice. I said, "Let's try this again, "DON'T EVER POINT A FIREARM AT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING THAT YOU DO NOT INTEND TO KILL AND NEVER POINT A &^%%^ GUN AT ME AND PULL THE TRIGGER. DO YOU UNDERSTAND???? I took the weapon out of his hand and put it back in the case. Mr. Kimberly said to his buddy, "Yeah Dog, I heard you ain't supposed to point a gun at anyone even if it ain't loaded." At this moment one of the other guys saw a little kel tec I had and said. "I have gotten "cleaned up" now(???) and I need something smaller than my AK. If I come in Monday and that is gone can you order me one?" I said "no". He said can you sell me that one. I said I doubt it. At this point Mr TriggerHappy had already left (I think he was embarrassed, not from the polite first reminder but from the loud second reminder I had given him) and was waiting in the car. I tried through body language and stares to let them know our conversation was finished. They got the hint and left. They live right down the street from the shop. One of my regulars says they rent an old house down Maple Court and there is always 8 cars or so parked outside.

    If they come back in I am going to send them right back out. I wanted to ask my fellow INGO'ers whether that is too harsh? I got a "bad vibe" and as of right now I am going with that. Some of my best customers are young people and treat these firearms safely and with respect. But I have never seen such a blatant disregard of manners, safety, or decorum in my life as these young folks demonstrated Saturday.

    The best description I can give is they were "fidgety" or "anxious".

    What did I do wrong?
    What did I do right? (if anything)
    How should I handle them if they come back?

    All input welcomed.

    Indiucky
     

    DoggyDaddy

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    I agree with everyone else... you did the right thing. If they made you nervous with their actions (in general, not just the gun pointing), then there's a reason. Listen to that "still, small voice".
     
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    You didn't come over the counter and ***** slap the kid who triggered you? Minus 5 points...

    Honestly, I think you handled it pretty well.
     

    Hookeye

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    Love it when a car/van rolls up with 5 minutes left before close, a group of young males pours out and comes in all loud and reeking of weed.

    Want to touch some guns, offer urban commentary about this and that.

    Had one van like that.

    Same van a week later, all different punks, 5 minutes before close.

    Loved having my Commander on.

    Nothing bad happened, but what a friggin' zoo. So socially out of the norm.................it was like we had to be on some secret video show.
     

    Hoosierdood

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    I think a good pistol whipping should have been in order. Or possibly grab his arm and yank the gun out of his hand. Stupid should hurt.

    Other than that, you did fine. Much more controlled than I would have been.
     

    Harry2110

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    Now I would have told them to leave the shop after he didnt follow your first command not with body languae but actually telling them. Now after things cool off if they come back maybe ask them if they are new to firearms and if so educate them about the rules otherwise if they say no I wouldnt really want to sell them anything as that means they havent taken the time to educate themselves in safety.

    You have your right to not let alone in your shop that you dont want. We've kicked people out of our bike shop in indianapolis for asking for money as they were starting to ask customers.

    I was a little anxious and fidgety when I bought my first gun but I knew the rules going into the shop a little over a year ago.

    Now where these guys dressed nicely or kinda like thugs as that could effect what the one meant by "I have gotten "cleaned up" now". It seems to mean possibly found innocent of a crime.
     
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    223 Gunner

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    I think you handled it well. None of us really know how we will handle situations until we are in them. Well done, hopefully they will not return, you don't need customers like that.
     
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    Bapak2ja

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    Suggestion: Check your security. When they get drunk or high, they will remember that dude who thought he was so tough—and where the weapons are located. Might be a good idea to load up your 870 and put it close to hand, too.
     

    The Bubba Effect

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    I think you are right to refuse to deal with them. Do not tolerate a cavalier attitude towards firearms safety.

    The kid is lucky you did not break his teeth out with the 38 (I personally would consider that a reasonable response). I hope you scolded him hard enough that him and his buddies understand what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.
     

    Vic_Mackey

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    Love it when a car/van rolls up with 5 minutes left before close, a group of young males pours out and comes in all loud and reeking of weed.

    Want to touch some guns, offer urban commentary about this and that.

    Had one van like that.

    Same van a week later, all different punks, 5 minutes before close.

    Loved having my Commander on.

    Nothing bad happened, but what a friggin' zoo. So socially out of the norm.................it was like we had to be on some secret video show.

    It's like that at the 1500, too. Right before close, you are guaranteed to see glazed over urban fellas trying to "git a chopper/spitter/strap to hold it down, nomsayin" irks me to know end.

    You handled that a lot better than I would have. I honestly don't know what I'd have done, but it would not involve nice language.
     
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