Must have been my imagination then last time I was in DC and New York, philly, and I think boston when I saw cops on patrol I full swat gear. But hey as long as we are safe right?
Its the same as military operating on US soil anymore
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Its the same as military operating on US soil anymore
Just to be clear VU I definately didn't mean you with that statement. I have no doubt you wouldn't be one that would oppress any of my rights and that's a comfort to me and a compliment to you. But there are plenty of people I all jobs that will sell out what's right to keep their job
NOT this time..... according to "the story", the AR, came out, and the shotgun did too !!!!!
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remember these!!!!
In NY and DC, they're just compensating for the lack of legally armed citizens to assist them.
You're on your way to being "Jeremy'd"
If it came down to it, I would fight for the rights of those involved in this stunt to be able to do this, however I'd also exercise my right to tell them they're acting like idiots.
Just my opinion
I agree ............ if this story did blow up in a media outlet......why do I picture some IA person reaching for a towel .....
Still balancing on the fence, but you said it well, like the kid down the street that pierced his neck! Yes I said pierced his NECK! Legal? Yes, would I do it? No, with that said, when the lil freak asked me what I thought, I told him. STUPID!!! If ya think you must? Go ahead . But also don't go on a forum and ask people what they think, then get upset when they do!If it came down to it, I would fight for the rights of those involved in this stunt to be able to do this, however I'd also exercise my right to tell them they're acting like idiots.
Just my opinion
If we do not police "our own"
through education and opinion then public opinion will have the state of Indiana doing it through law changes that none of us want.
After much thought, and reading through this thread twice, I have formed some conclusions.
1. It is unnecessary and unwise to carry a long gun into a public restaurant. The long gun can be safely left in the vehicle by parking in an area where one can view the vehicle while dining. It will require proper seat selection, of course. Given the current public fear, both of mad men going ape or postal and terrorist attacks, the long gun is going to create a sensation. Even I, who strongly support the RKBA, look very, very carefully at anyone I see entering an establishment with a long gun. I will evaluate the threat carefully. Thus far, I have always been able to discern the OCer was peaceful. But if I, who am used to firearms and supportive of the RKBA go immediately to alert level orange when I see a long gun, what can I expect from a soccer mom? MWAG call is going to be made. Like it or not, it is reality. So, leave the long gun in the vehicle.
2. OCing a handgun is acceptable, but requires vigilance and good manners. I have been openly rebuked for OCing in a KFC. A young father chastised me for scaring his kids and ruining their family meal when my sons and I entered while OCing. While our behavior was clearly peaceful, and my wife and daughter-in-law were with us, the kids were frightened; and probably the man's wife was frightened, too. If the man had waited a bit to discuss it, I would have gladly bought him a piece of pie and a cup of coffee so we could discuss it; but he ran out the door without giving me a chance to reply. There is a thread on INGO about that event. So, even good manners will not always ease the mind of the sheep. But it is wise for us to behave well when we carry. It is also wise for OCers to be ready to enter into calm conversation when folks are frightened.
3. I prefer, and recommend, CC. My right to RKBA is maintained. Soccer moms are undisturbed. MWAG calls will not occur. Dads who have not trained their families will not interrupt one's meal. Weapon remains secure, not left in the vehicle. I remain armed and vigilant.
I recall that even in the Old West the cowboys were eventually required to check their guns when they entered town—even their handguns! This was especially important for those cowpokes who crossed the tracks to the "good" side of town. Over on the seedy side, guns were kept close to hand, and were often needed when sudden emergency exits had to be made. But when the boys crossed the tracks, the guns were checked or Bat Masterson and Wyatt Earp put a knot on their head and tossed them in the jail for the night.
There is a story told about Wyatt Earp in his later years in southern California. I can't remember the source, but it went something like this.
Wyatt Earp had been asked to referee a prize fight, I think in the LA area. The crowd was the usual rowdy bunch, and the liquor was flowing freely. The fighters entered the ring and were announced, to the usual crowd responses, all supporting their favorite and belittling their opponent. At the proper time Earp was announced as the referee and he entered the ring, still wearing his topcoat, or suit coat. He was greeted with applause and respect, and he waved to the crowd to acknowledge their good will. As the fighters met at the ring for last instructions, Earp removed his coat and handed it to a friend outside the ring. As he made his way to the center of the ring to meet with the fighters, the crowd noticed he was carrying a revolver. I do not know where it was carried, but I assume it to have been on the hip or cross draw, where it was covered by his coat. A roar of approval went up from the crowd and a big round of applause was given. Earp is said to have blushed when he realized what caused the uproar. He immediately removed the gun and gave it to his friend who was holding his coat. (I bet someone got swept when he did that, too!) Apparently, the fight went on without incident and Earp had no need for his shootin' iron that night.
Apocryphal? Maybe. OK, probably. But it still illustrates a point. Even the known gunfighters were wise enough to conceal carry in public as the Old West vanished into history. Even the wild ones checked their guns when they crossed the tracks, or when appropriate. What we are being asked to do, i.e. CC and leave the long guns in the car, is not an unreasonable concession to polite society. No one questions the right to carry a long gun on the way to the range, but we really do not need to take it to dinner with us. Even the owner of an LGS has publicly thanked me for carrying my 10/22 into the shop with the lock installed. He called to me from across the room to thank me, saying he appreciated the concern for safety and the way it reassured his customers.
Therefore, I suggest leaving the long gun in the vehicle. It is just being neighborly.
There is a time and place for most everything....this included.
I agree with your point/opinion. I also wonder why the need to sport a long gun amongst the sheeple. You know what is going to happen, you know of the currant climate amongst the sheeple. Right wrong or indifferent why push it. Really, why.....
Okay, I appreciate both of your guys' posts. I read every one that I come across and rarely disagree with a lot of what you say. In this instance however, I disagree. Who determines when it is okay for me to open carry? I exercise my rights without fear or shame. I do occasionally CC, not when common sense dictates, but when I want to go somewhere that they do allow. Movie theatres, malls, etc.
.......I've said 'afore..........'OC'.......with some these dudes .......ain't nuth'n more'na a sausage wagg'n contest.......
Keep CC, you've lost your rights already. If you're not wiling to stand up for your rights, then you've lost them already.
As much as I agree I have to say the references you are using are way off here. The fellas that pulled this stunt were not making a point about much of anything. No tea in the harbor to rub in on the royals....no Rosa to the back of the bus to make a point. We already have the freedoms they were pushing to the limits. All their actions can do is set a chain of events in motion to reduce or eliminate those freedoms.
Refer to some of the posts on yes, you can but should you.
These 3 were being idiotic to take a long gun into a family burger joint. To prove what. To make what point.......
I have to say it set off the chain reaction I speak of.
Agreed to a point. Those examples were a bit off base, however, to say they were idiots to take a long gun into a burger joint, is, in my opinion, asinine. He does not have a handgun? Great, carry what you got. However, be willing to stand behind what you did. Don't make a video for YouTube. Make a video for educational purposes for the department. Just make sure you know your stuff and follow it to the t.
No they aren't. They're compensating for the lack of aim.In NY and DC, they're just compensating for the lack of legally armed citizens to assist them.
Really? You would stoop that low? What people did to Jeremy, whether the info was correct or not, was low. I won't get into that subject anymore than that, but it was low.
Everyone here is guilty of needing some "common sense" according to quite a bit of society today. If you carry a gun in today's society, you're a smart person. Except in the eyes of John Q. Public. We need to get rid of firearms according to a lot of the public. Here you guys are, damning a guy for carrying a long gun into a restaurant. What's the difference between a long gun and a handgun? Size. That's it. They're both the same tool, meant for the same purpose. Killing things. You, with your concealed $2000 Kimber, are no better than me with my $200 Hi Point. And I am no better than KJW's friend with his $800 AR. We are all the same team. The people we should be demonizing are the people who use our self defense/hunting/recreational tools for illegal purposes.
OP, if your story is true, I hope you follow it up with a complaint to VUPD. If you're lying and just trying to make yourself feel good, I hope you learned from this experience.
What are you talking about, how was what I wrote stooping low?? Calls were being made to get information to discredit the OP just as was done to Jeremy. I think you got confused in your multi-quote frenzy.
The difference is modesty. In a cultured intelligent society, reasonable modesty preferrable. What's the differnce between a beach bikini, and lingerie bikini? Essentailly nothing... but one is less modest than the other.
I think he did as well. He missed my 1st point and nothing in my 2nd was asinine.
What was asinine is the stunt those attention whores pulled.
They were idiots for doing that. What could be the outcome when dealing with soccer moms and sheeple. What could possibly be gained here. Nothing....zero.
This is of course only my humble opinion.
I agree with much he states as well but what these 3 did was a stunt pure and simple.
No protest or stated reasons.
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