Bunkerville NV escalating.

[KG1]

The way I see it is whatever Bundy said about "negros" and slaves was meant to be taken in the context of issues with .gov control and not issues with the black population.

He may have failed in trying to articulate that point but to me that is the destination he was trying to get to.

Focus on .gov.

 

[Henry]

This is 2014. Who still has the word negro in their lexicon?

United Negro College Fund and National Council of Negro Woman are two that come to mind. I'm sure I could find others if I wanted to look for some.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Anyone who thinks that or that slavery was better for families. It's simply not true, institutionally.

I agree with you. I was concerned that you were addressing me. I am fearful of your lawyer trickery.

 

[Henry]

A lot of old people get stuck in their ways. My dad died at 90 several years ago and still referred to black people as "colored" up until he died. It was the mindset of the era.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People uses it.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

United Negro College Fund and National Council of Negro Woman are two that come to mind. I'm sure I could find others if I wanted to look for some.

I am offended, shocked and outraged.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Nope

So why the division. I thought we didn't like the idea of "hyphenated-Americans." These issues: incarceration, mooching, abortion, aren't unique to any one group. It's an American problem. And as long as people want to point fingers at particular groups as being more of a problem then their group, then we will forever be "hyphenated-Americans."
Bundy, IMO at the very least, is a bigot, and at most a racist. Blacks don't even make up 10% of the population, of Nevada, and even if every black man, woman, and child (individually) received welfare benefits they still wouldn't make up all the users of their social system. So begs the question WHY does he have a bone to pick with the black community?

 

[hornadylnl]

Randy Weaver was a racist so they shot his wife. Bundy is a racist so they can shoot his wife too. Call someone a racist, then shoot their wife, got it. I don't think Bundy's play is for the entire country anyway. I suspect he's making a move for 3% of the country and I doubt this interview loses him much of them.

As far as "who still has the word negro in their lexicon?" You will be successful if you look for offense.

I'm not convinced he is racist. I'm convinced he's an idiot who did far more damage to his cause than he ever thought he helped. Poll a million people from across the country have heard anything about this case and see what his comments have done. He has absolutely played right into the hands of the left.

 

[zippy23]

Clive is not politically correct. I love it. We all should love it. he was saying what is the difference between gov't slavery through welfare, or actual slavery? In gov't slavery, they end up shooting each other and going to jail and dealing drugs. Which one is better? He talks like people talk to their friends while having a beer out at the farm. Its great. he told the truth. Gov't has turned them into voting slaves, specifically democrats. They now sit around doing nothing, just as he said, getting into trouble ruining their very short lives. Clive is the man.

 

[hornadylnl]

I guess his comments have earned some street cred with some.

 

[Kutnupe14]

United Negro College Fund and National Council of Negro Woman are two that come to mind. I'm sure I could find others if I wanted to look for some.

Established, respectively 1944, and 1935. Whites have traditionally not used the word, which most commonly appeared, in white usage, for (surprisingly enough), slave auctions. Advanced aged blacks actually found the word preferable to "black" or "colored." If Bundy were of an advanced age, he might have gotten away with it, as I, like many other blacks from the South, do not take offense when OLD white people use the reference. Bundy is 67 years old, meaning in 1980 he was 33 years young. He either incredibly dumb, or simply didn't pay attention to the times.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Clive is not politically correct. I love it. We all should love it. he was saying what is the difference between gov't slavery through welfare, or actual slavery? In gov't slavery, they end up shooting each other and going to jail and dealing drugs. Which one is better? He talks like people talk to their friends while having a beer out at the farm. Its great. he told the truth. Gov't has turned them into voting slaves, specifically democrats. They now sit around doing nothing, just as he said, getting into trouble ruining their very short lives. Clive is the man.

Who is "they?"

 

[IndyDave1776]

Anyone who thinks that or that slavery was better for families. It's simply not true, institutionally.

It may well be that some of those people who you have in mind may well not find slavery better per se, but are simply acknowledging the fact that we have exchanged an overt evil with some points at which self-interest caused mitigating effects (like seeing to it that expensive slaves did not die) with a less overt evil in which abortion 'rights' were deliberately engineered for the purpose of an anti-black genocide, poverty is subsidized, and our inner cities have turned into plantations in which those within are held not by overt force but by economic forces they cannot overcome because they are not taught how to overcome them and often will not accept real help because they have been conditioned to distrust outsiders and are encouraged to believe that conservatives and non-socialist solutions are inherently racist. I would argue that the principle difference between then and now is that no real effort was made to hide the evil then as it is now. The results of a few generations of applying the left's 'solutions' speak for themselves.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

So why the division. I thought we didn't like the idea of "hyphenated-Americans." These issues: incarceration, mooching, abortion, aren't unique to any one group. It's an American problem. And as long as people want to point fingers at particular groups as being more of a problem then their group, then we will forever be "hyphenated-Americans."
Bundy, IMO at the very least, is a bigot, and at most a racist. Blacks don't even make up 10% of the population, of Nevada, and even if every black man, woman, and child (individually) received welfare benefits they still wouldn't make up all the users of their social system. So begs the question WHY does he have a bone to pick with the black community?

I don't know that he has a bone to pick with the black community.

Have you watched the fuller version of the video posted above by sandman?

It starts with Bundy talking about how he was in the Watt's riots and how we have made progress since then and he doesn't want to go back to the way things were, how it wouldn't be right for the "colored" and "Spanish" peoples to go back to that because they were getting a raw deal. I don't know how he got onto the topics of civil rights of black folks or Spanish speaking folks. I suspect maybe he was talking about civil disturbances in general (I saw another video where he was framing his situation as a civil disturbance) and got to Watts, then wandered into race and government.

As to him using terms like Negro and Colored, I figure the guy is trying to speak correctly for the cameras and does not know what words he should use.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

I would argue that the principle difference between then and now is that no real effort was made to hide the evil then as it is now. The results of a few generations of applying the left's 'solutions' speak for themselves.

I would argue that the principle difference between then and now is that now if I saw a merchant selling a family in the public square, shackled, like cattle I would kill the merchant and burn down his house.

The welfare/prison system is a bad system, but it is not out and out slavery. You cannot today own a woman, impregnate her and own her child, working them like mules or worse. Things are screwed up, but we are not in that hell today.

 

[hornadylnl]

Maybe Bundy can hire Richard Mourdock to be his pr consultant.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I would argue that the principle difference between then and now is that now if I saw a merchant selling a family in the public square, shackled, like cattle I would kill the merchant and burn down his house.

The welfare/prison system is a bad system, but it is not out and out slavery. You cannot today own a woman, impregnate her and own her child, working them like mules or worse. Things are screwed up, but we are not in that hell today.

I have a hard time with the notion that deliberately perpetuating a situation in which people are victimized by random predators rather than de jure owners is that much different. They may not be in physical chains, but not having the means or knowledge to escape is just as constraining as irons.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

I have a hard time with the notion that deliberately perpetuating a situation in which people are victimized by random predators rather than de jure owners is that much different. They may not be in physical chains, but not having the means or knowledge to escape is just as constraining as irons.

Philosophically, maybe not much different. Practically, pretty damn different.

 

[jamil]

Established, respectively 1944, and 1935. Whites have traditionally not used the word, which most commonly appeared, in white usage, for (surprisingly enough), slave auctions. Advanced aged blacks actually found the word preferable to "black" or "colored." If Bundy were of an advanced age, he might have gotten away with it, as I, like many other blacks from the South, do not take offense when OLD white people use the reference. Bundy is 67 years old, meaning in 1980 he was 33 years young. He either incredibly dumb, or simply didn't pay attention to the times.

67? Sheesh, I thought he was older. Dude doesn't age well.

Anyway, aren't you assuming that a guy who grew up in a very rural desert community should have the same access to our "modern lexicon"?

Of all the things a man says, believes and does in 67 years of life, the media has given us a tiny sample of his. From that sample we condemn him as a bigot and racist and vile human being. I think at most I have sufficient evidence to condemn him as dishonest for misrepresenting the claims of the BLM, and for being horribly out of touch.

And I still support those who stood with him to oppose the wrongful behavior of our thug government.

 

[Hotdoger]

Bundy's Black Bodyguard: 'I Would Take A Bullet For That Man' (VIDEO)

 

[Hotdoger]

Blog: This Black Does Not Think Bundy is Racist