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I know for sure of one.
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Constitutional Carry bill filed in Indiana
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I know for sure of one.
This is ****ing bull ****! **** the ***** cowards that didn't have enough balls to show up for the work the people elected them to do. Dermody is a worthless rhino boob that is thankfully gone after this year and Bosma needs to go too. Worthless cowards
Is this as far as the "gun rights" pendulum swings?
The frustrating thing about this is, there's no other viable option. As has been beaten to death here many times before, sit at home and don't vote or vote for a third party to teach "them" a lesson and the democrats win. When they win there's always a possibility common sense gun laws they like causes the pendulum to start swinging back the other way. *sigh* Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
I'd rather take a d*** to the face than vote for a democrat
Right. But that's not one of the options I suggested doing.
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I would say that the correct solution would be to selectively target the GOP leadership in the legislature and their most annoying lapdogs in order to run them out and cut the supermajority down to something like a 52/48 split so that they feel the need to earn their keep rather than taking it for granted. I really don't care one way or other about Pence given that on his best day, he is a fair weather RINO.
That's sort of the conundrum in which we find ourselves, isn't it? Pence has indicated he doesn't see any need to keep swinging the pendulum but we know Gregg would sign common sense bills that would arrive on his desk should we not be as selective as required and end up 48/52 instead of 52/48. Democrats seem to never relent advancing their agenda, despite possible short term set backs while republicans lose their spines and their way after a short amount of time.
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Maybe kicking only one house of the legislature in the nuts would do the job.
Millions of people in Indiana. They all have their opinions. Their priorities. Ask 20 random strangers if they think people should be allowed to carry a firearm without a license. I'll bet on average at least 19 will be just fine with requiring permission to exercise a right. Safety vs freedom and all.
I bet you're right. I bet it would be 50-50 right here, on this site.
Your probably right. But that's why we have a republic and not a democracy. Elected officials take an oath of office to defend (vote) the constitution Not what is always the most popular. It's disgraceful to see so many forget this
That's it exactly. This bill has not been explained and promoted properly to "sell" our legislature. The same could be said for educating the general public and gun owners to encourage legislative pressure.
An example you all might pay a bit of attention to is the radio advertising we seem to be constantly hearing now about the anti-meth/Sudafed medication bill. Another is the mailers pushing a gas tax for road repair.
I don't know how to say this gracefully, so I'll just be blunt:
It's gonna take more than a couple dozen guys cussin, name calling, threatening to vote D and throwing hissy fits to get this done. It's gonna take an organized effort, some forethought and maybe even financial contributions if you intend to be serious.
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If the public does hear about bills like this it's from uninformed people in the media who are ideologically opposed to armed citizens. And they get to frame the narrative. Those crazy gun nutters are at it again, trying to make you unsafe.
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The problem here as I see it is that we could go to any mall in the state, spend all day randomly stopping people and asking them to explain to us the difference between a republic and a democracy, and not run out of fingers all day counting them. The unfortunate truth is that between the teaching of civics and parents not filling in the gap, or even realizing that there is one, most people under retirement age today have no idea that there is a difference which is why we are functioning pretty much as a de facto democracy and the place is falling apart.
As far as politics as presently practiced, you are dead center. That said, I see a few issues I would like to point out.
1. With this pack of jackass legislators all of whom have sterling NRA ratings, we shouldn't have to sell them anything. When pointed out, the response should be 'I should have thought of that myself' if they deserved those ratings.
2. It is very significant that, while all you have said is true, it is something straight out of Atlas Shrugged. As you could imagine, I would expect similarly unpleasant results.
3. The financial contributions aren't going to make a difference. We simply don't have the kind of money it takes to influence these people. The organized effort could do some good if you can manage to organize it, but can it be done. As little progress as we make toward moving the same direction sitting in our chairs hitting keys, how are we not only going to get on the same page, but also put feet on it?
As far as actually solving any of our problems through the political process, the only way I see to get that done is to pick one house of the legislature, cut that supermajority down to a razor-thin margin, leave the other alone to prevent a chance of turning over both houses and the governor, and force them to take every voter seriously rather than the present state of hubris we are now witnessing in which they think they can do whatever they want with impunity. That is the only viable option I see within the system, remembering that we can't afford to buy them and I rather doubt that we can assemble a pressure group and live long enough to see it bear fruit. Oh, and there is that other problem. Most of us work for a living. We don't have advantages like Shannon Watts who has a veritable army of kept wives with too much free time on their hands, most of whom were (I will try to avoid being too crass) not married for their brains and are easily manipulated--and then throw in that Shannon is a corporate propagandist/professional manipulator, never mind her relatively new adventure as a stay at home mom.
I am not trying to say that it is categorically impossible, but in order to assemble any effective pressure group, we will have to overcome the problems the other side already has, first and foremost getting people to support causes that don't directly involve them. I see this in part as a result of a unified goal, which is control. We don't have that, and those whose goals fall under the umbrella of liberty often fail to understand the implications of tunnel vision, with the fast easy example being the Fudds who will throw the remainder of gun owners under the bus so long as the lefties keep their paws off the Fudds' precious pre-'64 Winchesters. I can think of one organization which stands for the general concept of liberty in all its disparate forms, and they are well known for their measure of success being to score one full percentage point in a general election. Personally, I don't have a hard time standing with others. For example, I don't smoke, but I understand that even if the concept of personal liberty is inadequate to motivate me, the same people who think that a smoker should have to pay $10 for a pack of cigarettes that would be less than a dollar without punitive taxes also think that I should have to pay a $100/box punitive tax on a $10 box of shotgun shells. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to sink in with a lot of people who are all about their own personal little corner of liberty, but not the general concept. Then again, this is also the reason that most all revolutions are determined by a single-digit number of the population.
The other big hurdle standing out to me is the uphill battle of persuading people to accept responsibility rather than abdicate it. The promises of the left all hinge on the notion of abdicating responsibility. Turn in all those nasty guns that hurt people. Dad will keep the bad guys away. Mom will see to it that dinner is on the table. Rules? You don't get to make any decisions that amount to anything, but you can bang your BF/GF all you like and your children will be provided for, and spend as much time as you like higher than a Georgia pine, and anyone who questions it will be treated as a pariah for encroaching on your 'freedom'. Conversely, we are telling these people that the bogeyman is real and you may meet him, but we want you to be ready with a real solution rather than a false hope when that day comes. You can't sustain a population by stealing from others. You are going to have to work for that meal on the table. It isn't going to magically appear there, but we will take away the artificial barriers that prevent you from having that meal within your own means. If you get happy horizontally, that is your business, but children have to be fed. We will supply the maximum amount of opportunity, but you still have to take care of it. Getting high? That's your business, but remember that it is expensive, and beyond that, it encroaches on your productivity, and that table doesn't fill itself.
The bottom line is that we are not selling a very popular product, and there is no way to make it appealing to those to whom it does not appeal. I dare say that is the reason why when a society reaches its breaking point, the problem (as best I can stay within INGO rules) is solved with the laws of physics rather than the laws of man, Darwin cleans up the population, and there is a restart one way or another.
I suspect there are many Republican legislators that don't really give two hoots about second amendment legislation. What they give two hoots about is getting re-elected. By bringing forth such a bill they appear to be "gun people", and so they solidify obtaining a voting block without actually having to pass legislation. Mission accomplished.
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Google says...
First on the list is the Indiana subsidiary of the NRA which does so much that I hadn't even heard of it.
ISRPA
Second on the list is *drumroll* INGO!
Nothing else, other than a link to NRA-ILA even qualifies as an 'organization'.
While the ultimate goal is respect for the constitutionally protected right to bear arms, unburdened by state-issued licenses, I would be happy - as an intermediate step toward that ultimate goal - with explicit statutory recognition that the mere carrying of a handgun is not a per se unlawful act (or else, that the mere carrying of a handgun, absent reasonable suspicion of any other unlawful activity, does not constitute reasonable suspicion for an investigatory detention).
That the state of Indiana considers every person who carries a handgun to be a per se criminal is utterly unacceptable.
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This is going to be my last post in the politics section for a long time maybe forever. I am now fully convinced the political process is a failure.
