Is Your Facebook Account Promoting Socialism?

[jamil]

I don't have Facebook, so mine isn't.

Eventually we may have to consider something like this as more and more jobs are displaced by technology, but we aren't there yet. Yes, I'm aware some folks think that the guy who's driving a truck today will be a cancer researcher tomorrow (like this guy: https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwor...conomics-of-jobs-and-automation/#6d87acfd1671) and maybe his point about having a social safety net to allow people to try new markets and fail without as much risk will lead somewhere...but I'm not convinced.

I think it's inevitable we'll have to experiment with this sort of thing, though. Probably not in my lifetime, or even my kid's lifetime, but we'll get to where this or something roughly the same will be implemented. There just won't be enough "real work" to go around.

If we are forced to adapt to a more socialist system because machines have taken our jobs, the machines might as well take over Terminator style. Socialism isn't all that compatible with human nature and individual liberty. Things will probably devolve from there.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

If we are forced to adapt to a more socialist system because machines have taken our jobs, the machines might as well take over Terminator style. Socialism isn't all that compatible with human nature and individual liberty. Things will probably devolve from there.

I dunno, arguably technology was the nail in the coffin of slave labor. Society doesn't stand still while technology changes. Maybe it'll be worse, maybe better, but you can be assured it'll be different.

 

[jamil]

I dunno, arguably technology was the nail in the coffin of slave labor. Society doesn't stand still while technology changes. Maybe it'll be worse, maybe better, but you can be assured it'll be different.

I've read many predictions since I was a kid and have lived through some of the periods predicted. My observation is that when we've reached the predicted period, reality turned out to be far from what was predicted. One of the failures of imagination is human nature's stubborn resistance to changing it's very nature.

I think that technology will likely change the economy of the future to something that isn't socialism, communism, or even capitalism, but I can't imagine what that economy would look like. But human nature will assure that if it's socialist, it will fail. If it's communist, it will fail. And I'm not sure that the technological/political world of the future won't cause capitalism to fail. But human nature is itself capitalist, so in whatever shape the future economy takes, it will somehow involve a market economy, whether it is a shadow economy or mainstream. It will also evolve from need rather than design.

 

[BugI02]

I've read many predictions since I was a kid and have lived through some of the periods predicted. My observation is that when we've reached the predicted period, reality turned out to be far from what was predicted. One of the failures of imagination is human nature's stubborn resistance to changing it's very nature.

I think that technology will likely change the economy of the future to something that isn't socialism, communism, or even capitalism, but I can't imagine what that economy would look like. But human nature will assure that if it's socialist, it will fail. If it's communist, it will fail. And I'm not sure that the technological/political world of the future won't cause capitalism to fail. But human nature is itself capitalist, so in whatever shape the future economy takes, it will somehow involve a market economy, whether it is a shadow economy or mainstream. It will also evolve from need rather than design.

Suggested reading: Almost any fiction by William Gibson but esp. Neuromancer and Count Zero

 

[jamil]

Suggested reading: Almost any fiction by William Gibson but esp. Neuromancer and Count Zero

It's just fiction. It's just one person's imagination. Interesting as it may be, it's not any more likely to become the reality than any of the other utopic or dystopic imaginations of the future.

 

[edporch]

If Mark is so for it, he needs to renounce his wealth and throw ALL of it in the pot.

 

[spec4]

^^^^^ Exactly what I was thinking! Let him set the example. Let's see, 320 million of us and he has how many billions? He can divide what he has by 320 million and send me a check for the answer.

 

[Brad69]

Uh we already have a basic income it's called welfare.

section 8 housing (with heating and cooling subsidies)

SNAP (food stamps supplemented with food pantery,s)

Hoosier Care (you pay nothing for health care)

SSI (You find a good lawyer and claim an disability it's easy then claim you kids have a disability means more checks for free)

You find all the free stuff you can hit the food pantry,s in a 50 mile area go to churches and beg for $$

Work just enough to get a W-2 then get EIC to the tune of at least about $5,000 up to $14,000

This is a trade handed down like family tradition.

The Book Of Faces kid will fade he really isn't that smart just lucky and rich.

 

[rhino]

Uh we already have a basic income it's called welfare.

section 8 housing (with heating and cooling subsidies)

SNAP (food stamps supplemented with food pantery,s)

Hoosier Care (you pay nothing for health care)

SSI (You find a good lawyer and claim an disability it's easy then claim you kids have a disability means more checks for free)

You find all the free stuff you can hit the food pantry,s in a 50 mile area go to churches and beg for $$

Work just enough to get a W-2 then get EIC to the tune of at least about $5,000 up to $14,000

This is a trade handed down like family tradition.

The Book Of Faces kid will fade he really isn't that smart just lucky and rich.

Lucky, rich, and a douche bag.

 

[Methane Herder]

http://www.google.com/url?q=https:/...wIDzAA&usg=AFQjCNFQoVVZr3ORDjkGPvQYT20reSP8Zg
*** Note, not an official Rainmaker's video but the lyrics apply.***

MH

 

[Blackhawk2001]

I suggest that in order to test whether this system would work, Mark Zuckerberg should give all Facebook employees a living wage out of his own money. Let's see how that works out over a 10 year period . . .

 

[Jludo]

I suggest that in order to test whether this system would work, Mark Zuckerberg should give all Facebook employees a living wage out of his own money. Let's see how that works out over a 10 year period . . .

I highly doubt anyone working at facebook is making minimum wage.

I also know no one wants to give Zuckerberg any credit but he's pledged to give away 99% of his facebook stock, worth 45 Billion. Argue the pros and cons of socialism but don't pretend like his opinion isn't valid because be's not giving away his own money. (not that that's a valid argument to start with)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ebook-stock/?tid=a_inl&utm_term=.aba99229d362

 

[HubertGummer]

If Mark is so for it, he needs to renounce his wealth and throw ALL of it in the pot.

^^^^^ Exactly what I was thinking! Let him set the example. Let's see, 320 million of us and he has how many billions? He can divide what he has by 320 million and send me a check for the answer.

I suggest that in order to test whether this system would work, Mark Zuckerberg should give all Facebook employees a living wage out of his own money. Let's see how that works out over a 10 year period . . .

While these are good ideas, generally when some rich SOB decides the country should do more for the poor, they mean everyone but them. After all, they are donating their time speaking out for this cause.

 

[Jludo]

While these are good ideas, generally when some rich SOB decides the country should do more for the poor, they mean everyone but them. After all, they are donating their time speaking out for this cause.

I forget that sometimes the INGO crowd just hears what they want.

 

[HubertGummer]

I forget that sometimes the INGO crowd just hears what they want.

I'll give him credit when he follows through with his pledge.

 

[Jludo]

I'll give him credit when he follows through with his pledge.

Let's put a pin in this thread for 50 years then.

 

[jamil]

I forget that sometimes the INGO crowd just hears what they want.

Doesn't everyone? I don't think Welfare was a good idea. I don't think government giving a living wage is a good idea. Governments taking the resources from people who've earned them and giving it away to people who didn't, certainly is not what free societies do. Governments of free societies should be strictly limited on how they may spend the people's money. 50% + 1 should not get to vote themselves other people's wealth. But if you're going to advocate taking other people's money, you damn well better be willing to give up your own.

 

[HoughMade]

Lucky, rich, and a douche bag.

Lucky? he had a marketable idea and he's the one that made it work and monetized it. I thought we liked ingenuity and work producing wealth.

There are plenty of people i disagree with politically, but I can still acknowledge when they have accomplished something...and he has accomplished some impressive things.

 

[rhino]

Lucky? he had a marketable idea and he's the one that made it work and monetized it. I thought we liked ingenuity and work producing wealth.

There are plenty of people i disagree with politically, but I can still acknowledge when they have accomplished something...and he has accomplished some impressive things.

You're assuming it was originally his marketable idea.

 

[HoughMade]

You're assuming it was originally his marketable idea.

No I'm not. Who turned it from a novelty on a few college campuses into what it is? Who monetized it? Who led the IPO?

the others can cry about a "stolen" idea. The truth is, they didn't have the brains to do anything with it.