First off, if the NRA was going to be violently protesting bricks would probably not be the chosen projectiles. Secondly, nothing involving humans will ever be able to prevent - all - preventable mistakes...just not going to happen...ever. The best that we can hope for is that good laws are in place to protect good people in a country ruled by laws. Beginning to stretch that last point though.
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The NRA's Allegiance to Cops Undermines it's Credibility on Gun Rights
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First off, if the NRA was going to be violently protesting bricks would probably not be the chosen projectiles. Secondly, nothing involving humans will ever be able to prevent - all - preventable mistakes...just not going to happen...ever. The best that we can hope for is that good laws are in place to protect good people in a country ruled by laws. Beginning to stretch that last point though.
Are they looking to be martyred too?
Kirk Freeman
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Moving away from "duty to notify" and steering police training to accepting that people carry guns legally (NOTE: not all police departments see citizens with guns as the enemy!) is the way to do this.
Has the NRA been remiss in failing to reach out to African-American gun owners? Yep, you bet and I say this as a Benefactor/Golden Eagle/Ring of Freedom member of the NRA for over 30 years. It is my opinion that it is a big stain the organization that NRA has not been more aggressive in "community outreach" and training in the African-American "community".
However, for NRA to run about and issue "statements" on PAS, when often the facts are tangled, is a dangerous and foolhardy position.
NRA does have an interest in cases like Minnesota. It's plan should be more operational than tactical or strategic and take place in state legislatures as to the statutory triggers for police-citizen interactions and funding for police training.
There's a case to be maybe that yes, LaVoy's intent was to be a martyr.
Maybe we're not on the same page, but am I to infer that you think Castile wanted to be killed?
BehindBlueI's
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The NRA isn't perfect, but what do you think the 2nd amendment landscape would look like without them?
And there it is. Never let the theoretical perfect be the enemy of the actual good.
indiucky
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indiucky
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I agree but there was a time....
'Black Guns Matter' Founder: NRA Stood with Blacks When Democrats Attacked in 1960s
People who want to press the issue with large groups of well armed people who have been ordered to shut them down should understand that even if they are right, if they have the moral high ground, they may be occupying a 6' hole for pressing that issue with force unequal to the task.
Am I being detained here? You may be an internet hero and detained. Pulling a weapon in a no win situation is a no win situation. OJ was not going to get away no matter how fast/slow he drove.
As to the specifics of the cases above? I haven't had time to delve into them, just passing acquaintance.
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Good points made. That said, I find it discouraging that they put so much restraint morphing into inaction into trying to appear 'mainstream' to people who consider them to make the John Birch Society look like leftists that they have missed several golden opportunities to undo much damage. It leads me to wonder if they, like the Democrats appealing to the 'downtrodden' have come to the realization that if they actually solve the problem it impinges on the need for them to be there, hence impinges upon the continued flow of cash to fight a battle that has already been won. My suspicion that their goal is to keep us hovering somewhere around 49% where 50% is the tipping point does little to generate charitable thoughts with me.
Whatever your position on whether police responded appropriately in the Castile incident, whether NRA said anything is completely irrelevant. To begin with, anything NRA might have said would be trashed by the anti-gun kooks, and they`re just giddy they can play this out; the mistaken notion that by saying nothing, NRA doesn`t support the right of every law-abiding American citizen to keep and bear arms. This is what liberals do best, they`re stirring the pot and sitting back to see how much trouble they can cause.
BehindBlueI's
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To a point, of course they are. That's why they alert you to every ridiculous piece of legislation nationwide. They want you to have a siege mentality and to feel like you're constantly threatened to lose what you have. Sometimes you have a legitimate threat. Sometimes they dig. Western Podunkville's city councilman puts a bill into committee to ban magazines over 10 rounds. They'll tell you. They won't tell you Western Podunkville has 7 councilman, 6 are against it, and it hasn't gotten out of commitee for the past 15 years when Earl has tried it.
This is modern political marketing. Polarize, demonize, exaggerate. And it's that way on both sides of the aisle and for any special interest group that matters for the very simple reason it works better than anything else they've tried so far.
Kirk Freeman
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Very true, and anyone familiar with the anti-gun modus operandi will know it instinctively.
Further, while it's easy to criticize the NRA for not reaching out more to the "black community" (whatever that even is), don't forget that the anti-gunners and leftists alike will immediately besmirch those efforts as nefarious and racist, motivated by their innate antipathy toward the NRA and by their desire to keep that demographic voting overwhelmingly Democrat.
IOW, damned if you do and damned if you don't, and the NRA enemies like it that way.
Also, contrary to Michael Mooron's ("Bowling for Columbine") outrageous lies, the NRA was founded largely as a counter against KKK aggression, with the NRA seeking to train the targets of that aggression to be able to defend themselves, so the NRA has nothing to apologize for regarding race relations, far from it.
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I believe you are overdoing the drama here. I am still wondering why when we had 6 years of government controlled by people who are supposed to be friendly to the 2A the NRA just sat there mumbling 'enforce the existing laws, enforce the existing laws, enforce the existing laws'. When are we going to hear something about eliminating gross infringements on our constitutional rights? If not, why should I take them seriously?
Perhaps for the same reason we have had almost three years of government contolled by people who are supposed to be going to repeal Obamacare and they can't get it done. They all are playing not to lose instead of playing to win (and believe me, as an Ohio State alum, I know what that looks like)
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I can understand the motives behind the politicians doing this which is exactly why I want to know why, when the opportunity was there, the NRA didn't build fires under the asses of the politicians who give us lip service and then do nothing.
