Trump testing the winds on gun control

[KLB]

Not quite pen-and-a-phone, but when you ask your administrative agencies to establish a new rule, that's usually a good harbinger of the rule they're going to come up with.



https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/depa...otice-proposed-regulation-banning-bump-stocks

That is a load of bull****.

 

[jamil]

That is a load of bull****.

This is one of those deals where it'll just happen. And then there'll be lawsuits. And maybe, possibly, a judge will kick the government in the balls with appropriate force. Or not.

 

[Fargo]

This is one of those deals where it'll just happen. And then there'll be lawsuits. And maybe, possibly, a judge will kick the government in the balls with appropriate force. Or not.

I think the Hughes Amendment makes this a very big deal. If they were grandfathered or registerable, I think a lot of people would hold your noses and move on. If this ends with confiscation, I'm not so certain that happens.

 

[BugI02]

When you think about it, upper tier business people and politicians are a lot alike

Sociopaths?

 

[T.Lex]

The proposed rule will be published in the Federal Register with a 90-day comment period. If the rule becomes final, bump-stock devices would be banned and people who have the devices would be required to surrender, destroy or make their devices permanently inoperable.

Testing no longer, Trump's DOJ has taken the procedural step to ban bumpstocks in 90 days.

 

[BigRed]

If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.
Paine

 

[jamil]

If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.
Paine

That's a virtuous sentiment, however, it should come with a warning. Each generation since the enlightenment has worked to make the world more peaceful for their kids. And it has been progressively more peaceful, albeit with some bumps. But, without a warning against what a society that only knows peace will do to destroy it, peace gets destroyed eventually, if through nothing else, social entropy.

 

[KLB]

Testing no longer, Trump's DOJ has taken the procedural step to ban bumpstocks in 90 days.

I have to think this will end up at the supreme Court. They are effectively rewriting the law.

 

[madvarminter]

I think Trump is letting all those who voted for him down. Just depressing I voted for change WTH?

 

[jamil]

I think Trump is letting all those who voted for him down. Just depressing I voted for change WTH?

I didn't vote for change. I voted for not-Hillary. And hopefully a non-fudd Republican. Guess I was wrong about the latter.

 

[bwframe]

I have to think this will end up at the supreme Court. They are effectively rewriting the law.

Maybe that's the administration's strategy?

 

[jamil]

Maybe that's the administration's strategy?

It's hard to take seriously, every time Trump steps on his dick, it's "strategy".

 

[bwframe]

I'm sure they've given up on selling the NeverTrumpers. Results speak down the road...

 

[Tombs]

Testing no longer, Trump's DOJ has taken the procedural step to ban bumpstocks in 90 days.

I'd also like to take a moment to inform people that this isn't a normal ban.

There is no grandfather clause, there's no means for NFA registration so that you may keep your bumpstock. There's no compensation.

This is a direct order to turn them in or go to prison for illegally possessing a machine gun.

Your last means of protest against more gun control of this nature is to refuse to comply, if you comply, you can expect them to come after everything you own in the near future. If you refuse to comply, you will turn this into a mess and we may have a chance of making the state rethink this approach.

 

[jamil]

I'm sure they've given up on selling the NeverTrumpers. Results speak down the road...

What are NeverTrumpers? Who are they? And are they the polar opposite of AlwaysTrumpers? Is either extreme any different really?

It's kinda sounding like perhaps you might be assigning anyone who dares to criticize anything Trump does as a NeverTrumper, even if they agree with some policies. It seems that way to me because you invoked the term apparently in reply to what I said. But you didn't really explain what you mean. So I'm left to try to infer what you mean. What other inference can I make? Even though I support some things Trump does, but point out when he obviously steps on his pecker, you invoke this term now. It means something that you invoked it now. I'd like to understand it.

 

[KLB]

Maybe that's the administration's strategy?

Strategy? What kind of strategy is that? Let's pretend to ban something, hope we get sued and lose, while we waste a lot of time and money defending something we really don't want to do in the first place.

Sure, that sounds like pure strategy. It isn't like just do nothing would have been easier, less expensive, and less irritating to those that voted for him.

The only strategy involved here is Trump thinking he can do whatever he likes and people will accept that his genius is unquestionable.

 

[bwframe]

We'll check back on this in six months. See what happened with this.

 

[rugertoter]

I think Trump is letting all those who voted for him down. Just depressing I voted for change WTH?

Yeah, I know what you mean. The ONLY way real change will be made, is if some major event turns the world on it's ear....short of that, I fear we will never see any real change. JMHO.

 

[jamil]

We'll check back on this in six months. See what happened with this.

Okay. Let me get this straight. Trump directed his AG to rewrite a definition passed by congress enacted into law, to reinterpret "machine gun" to include bump stocks. So the strategy is to rewrite this law for the purpose of having the courts strike it down. So you think that Trump knows that it'll be stricken down, and so he's doing it to sort of make the issue go away. And your evidence that he knows it will be stricken down and therefore is a strategy, is that in 6 months or however long it takes to make its way through the courts, it'll be stricken down.

Do you know what this kind of argument is?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Okay. Let me get this straight. Trump directed his AG to rewrite a definition passed by congress enacted into law, to reinterpret "machine gun" to include bump stocks. So the strategy is to rewrite this law for the purpose of having the courts strike it down. So you think that Trump knows that it'll be stricken down, and so he's doing it to sort of make the issue go away. And your evidence that he knows it will be stricken down and therefore is a strategy, is that in 6 months or however long it takes to make its way through the courts, it'll be stricken down.

Do you know what this kind of argument is?

I think he's in denial. Just doesn't want to believe "his guy" is doing this.