_______________Define regular and continued.. That's awfully vague...
If a person that has 100 personally owned firearms sells 10 a year for 10 years as a person sale is that person breaking the law?
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See post #41. I wasn't trying to derail the post to who is an unlicensed gun dealer. I was pointing out that the OP had a few guns for sale, had no activity for a while, and came back with a few more for sale. Like I said nothing really raised my eyebrows. If he really contributed to indigo and didn't ask such an odd question, no one would have noticed. Now he's just wanting to wash his hands of indigo. I've been answered your questions you asked me the best way that I can with what facts I can find, as has cce1302. What a wealth of knowledge he is. I've been as helpful as I can so there's the facts. I really don't make it a point to argue the law. About all I can do if I don't like it is vote for my NRA lobbyist or my state senator.
If a person buys 20 firearms a year and doesn't like an average of 8-10 of them and they get sold by private sale, is that person break ng the law?
And why do you think that making a profit selling a firearm is a bad ( breaking the law ) thing?
..Nothing really raised my eyebrows. There was a few for sale, I followed the crowd and spoke without checking the facts. What's throwing everyone is an odd question and not really contributing to the forum, but I don't see anything criminal. I think we can all learn here, me, him, us. It's messy.
Guy Relford covered this on his show a couple weeks back.
Liquidating your collection is not considered being a seller. Now if you are buying guns and selling them for profit, you are a seller. But just selling off your guns you have personally owned for a while is fine. (even if you do make a long term profit due to increased value over the long term, it became collectible, etc)
Selling at a profit and selling FOR profit are different. And the difference lies in why you bought in the first place.So if I have had over a hundred guns for better than 30 years and I decided to sell ten a year for the next ten years, certainly I will make a profit. I mean I payed 325.00 for my 8" Python with Ellison's and a Colt paper trigger job. So I sell it and some other guns for a healthy profit as private sales, please tell me what law I am breaking by making a profit reselling my personal firearms, and why would I not be a responsible person by doing so?
I know a guy who was visited at his place of work by the ATF because he was buying guns and reselling them for a profit. The way he ended up on their radar is he bought several of the same gun at a very low price; Im guessing a multiple pistol form maybe? He argued what he was doing wasn't illegal by selling them and they basically said he needed to either slow down or get a license. I asked him if they would in that case give him one then since they aren't really handing out at home FFL's anymore and he did not know.
I trust the 40. "Look I can handle my rig better if it was less powerful. I can't cut the mustard with a real bullet."
Trucker Clock!
Selling at a profit and selling FOR profit are different. And the difference lies in why you bought in the first place.
Talk about a blast from the past.
Hi Doddg. No list today?
List.
1. I read the thread.
2. I identity with the person.
See the Savage Eagle saga.
OK I have looked and looked and can't find this. Could someone PLEASE point me in the right direction? I can only imagine what transpired. -Jason
I read all of this thread with interest and the posting of a site with the following:
"David enjoys hunting and has a large variety of hunting rifles. He likes to have the
newest models with the most current features. To pay for his new rifles, a few times a
year David sells his older weapons to fellow hunters for a profit. David does not need
to be licensed because he is engaging in occasional sales for enhancement of his
personal collection."
I identified with the person above.
I buy to improve what I've got, selling what I have to get others, and/or to pay for what I have b/c money sets limitations.
I've never bought with the intention of selling, b/c I buy "right" and hope to be able to keep it, b/c over the last 19 months I've learned that its replacement is going to cost more. (maybe in retirement I'll be forced to pare down to only the "bargain" guns and goodbye to the ones I have grown to love)
Sometimes I keep a gun for months b/c it is the best after buying/selling/shooting others (Ex.: buying the Shield 9mm after trying out several others), but decided the Sig 365 was "the one" and sold the Shield 9mm.
Sometimes I have bought a gun, taken it to the range and sold it the next day b/c it wasn't what I expected.
Since I usually post range pics of all my guns at the range, I would think that makes the case that I'm not buying to resell, but buying for use and pleasure.
I must sell something I have in order to get something else (Ex.: Sold items to buy CZs last summer, and then sold 2 CZs to buy a more expensive CZ (Shadow 2) since I can't afford to own them all or keep everything I bought (would love to, though): money is the limiting factor.
Plus, I feel the need to keep my guns in a safe, and it is a limiting factor of quantity as well.
B/C of my inexperience, I have had to go through alot of guns to get to where I'm satisfied with the guns I have, but it is a continual ongoing process.
I have had only 2 "permanent" revolvers for CC, and only 2 "permanent" semi-autos" for CC in the past 19 months: the rest were seeing if I wanted to switch to a different revolver b/c of having a hammer or caliber or size or whatever.
Same with my .22LR revolvers: took awhile to figure out what I wanted: down to only two, and it took a few buy/sell to get there
Really more of the same thing with the .22LR semi-autos: it has been and is continuing to be a long journey to get settled in on what is a keeper: not done there.
My range toy 9mms: continual ongoing experimenting: it will probably end with retirement, but If I could only keep what I have I'd feel good about it.
I bought the CZ P09 recently, violating my own "prefer all-metal to polymers" just to give it a try in replacing another 9mm, but I'd love to keep them all.
I am definitely not a dealer: I am a range-rat.
I am definitely not selling for profit: my wife certainly is not going to buy that since she monitors the accounts, and there is no profit, only draining.
If I have sold a gun for $25 more dollars than paid, I lost $25 on another, and holsters and cleaning kits and the rest certainly eats up the money.
I keep a list of everything I own, what the total cost is, and what the average cost per unit has been, with subcategories of avg. cost of the .22LR and avg. cost of the "other" (mostly 9mm, with a little but of .357 mixed in).