Extra Extra Read All About It - It's Official: Trump has been IMPEACHED

[T.Lex]

I think it's apropos that in a climate where everything he does gets leaked, that he classifies basically everything. It's my understanding that he's been doing this with his foreign calls for quite some time. All of them. So it's not like he's treating this one extra special different because there must be something to hide. I don't think any other president has ever had to deal with this.

But I think it's time they do. Every right leaning person in government should leak everything they can about the next Democratic president so that they relearn the principle of mutually assured destruction. Of course I'm not all that serious about that. But I want to be.

Yeah, I'm pretty much ok with the CINC determination of what is classified and what isn't. If he thinks a call is classified, he can make it classified. Then, if it fits a purpose to unclassify it, then he can do that.

There are rules and policies about what gets categorized and how, but ultimately that's an executive branch decision.

 

[Libertarian01]

If this is what the Trumpican Party has to resort to, in order to try an craft a defense (taking issue with the complaint process, rather than the complaint itself), Trump may be in more of a pickle than eve I thought.

You may be right but I do have a serious problem with this. This is like saying we're going to set aside attorney client privilege because it is convenient to get some info from someone. Maybe not to the same degree but it is certainly on that path.

Imagine four (4) people standing around the water cooler. The first person tells everyone else that Julie had sex with the boss to get a promotion. So they chat for several minutes eating up the gossip, then each goes back to their respective cubicles all looking for signs of when and where Julie and the boss had sex. Now person #5 has an encounter with one of them and finds out that Julie had sex with the boss. Everywhere person #5 goes he hears this from different people. Each one may guess as to where and when it happened but they are so far immersed in the Julie sex story that they just take it for granted that it really did happen.

Now person #5 goes to file a complaint. They base their complaint upon multiple reports of everyone telling them the same thing. But in reality nothing is verified and it was a rumor started by only one (1) employee in the first place.

Julies life and or career could be ruined by hearsay. The boss could be forced out. All based upon a bunch of hearsay crap from a potentially decent employee who didn't see or hear anything.

This is why I really do believe it is a major deal that the original complaint form required it to be based upon firsthand knowledge only.

Regards,

Doug

 

[Doug]

It depends on Julie and her boss.
If she is known to sleep around, she is untouchable because taking action against her would attack her life-style choices.
If her boss has slept with employees in the past and not suffered for it, he is untouchable because the company approved his actions in the past.
If either purports to be a moral person, they are toast.

 

[jamil]

You may be right but I do have a serious problem with this. This is like saying we're going to set aside attorney client privilege because it is convenient to get some info from someone. Maybe not to the same degree but it is certainly on that path.

Imagine four (4) people standing around the water cooler. The first person tells everyone else that Julie had sex with the boss to get a promotion. So they chat for several minutes eating up the gossip, then each goes back to their respective cubicles all looking for signs of when and where Julie and the boss had sex. Now person #5 has an encounter with one of them and finds out that Julie had sex with the boss. Everywhere person #5 goes he hears this from different people. Each one may guess as to where and when it happened but they are so far immersed in the Julie sex story that they just take it for granted that it really did happen.

Now person #5 goes to file a complaint. They base their complaint upon multiple reports of everyone telling them the same thing. But in reality nothing is verified and it was a rumor started by only one (1) employee in the first place.

Julies life and or career could be ruined by hearsay. The boss could be forced out. All based upon a bunch of hearsay crap from a potentially decent employee who didn't see or hear anything.

This is why I really do believe it is a major deal that the original complaint form required it to be based upon firsthand knowledge only.

Regards,

Doug

A few things here. First things first. Is Julie hot? If she's not, then I'm just not interested in who's ****ing who. Call me a cad. But it's just not very interesting otherwise.

Next, more seriously, because the rumor got started somehow, it's not necessarily true that Julie's or the boss's careers or lives will be ruined by this getting reported. An investigation will be done. And if they were indeed ****ing, it was against the company policy and it's appropriate to discipline them per policy. But, if they find out that they weren't ****ing, they're off the hook more than if it just stayed as rumor. There is value in a rumor being either confirmed or debunked.

Kinda the same thing here. But here is a little different because there does seem to be considerable animus between the intelligence community and Trump. Maybe this is legit, but the way it's happening appears to be partisan. At this point, it's out in the wild. The only way to stop the rumors is to find out what's true and what's not. And that's not likely to happen the way it should. It's more likely that means another two-year $25M democrat circle jerk of perjury traps, masquerading as a legitimate investigation.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

The whistle-blower went to a House intel committee aide with his allegations days before filing his complaint. Explains how Schiff knew to press for complaint.

"Whistleblower" was communicating with Schiff behind the scenes

Looking more and more like a purely political scheme.

Surprisingly, this is breaking from the New York Times, of all places.

https://twitter.com/amyfiscus/status/1179454505726951434

 

[KG1]

The whistle-blower went to a House intel committee aide with his allegations days before filing his complaint. Explains how Schiff knew to press for complaint

"Whistleblower" was communicating with Schiff behind the scenes

Looking more and more like a purely political scheme.

https://twitter.com/amyfiscus/status/1179454505726951434

Not surprising. Schiff has always been a lying political schemer.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Schiff has responded

https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1179471664813355014

When a whistleblower seeks guidance, staff advises them to get counsel and go to an IG.

That’s what they’re supposed to do.

Unlike a president pressing a foreign leader to dig up dirt on a political opponent.

That’s not what a president is supposed to do.

And we all know it.

But he said before that he hadn't spoken to the "whistleblower"

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Alternative take...

Whistleblower goes to House Dems. House Dems correctly say that's not how this works, and direct him/her to use the whistleblower process. Yes, Schiff lied about this sequence of events, that's something, but the actual events appear to be lawful otherwise. Though this will give the GOP some ammo.

 

[BugI02]

The whistle-blower went to a House intel committee aide with his allegations days before filing his complaint. Explains how Schiff knew to press for complaint.

"Whistleblower" was communicating with Schiff behind the scenes

Looking more and more like a purely political scheme.

Surprisingly, this is breaking from the New York Times, of all places.

https://twitter.com/amyfiscus/status/1179454505726951434

Yesss. I find it instructive that a CIA employee feels he has sufficient knowledge to parse whether the president was abusing his authority as CINC, but he doesn't know how to file a whistleblower complaint. Please

Now I wonder if the changes in the whistleblower complaint form were made before or after this plant went to Schiff

 

[Dead Duck]

OK....
I have read all the reports and documents pertinent to this story and have come to a surprising conclusion.


Somebody's Lying.

 

[Ingomike]

And does this whole affair make any of you a little queazy that the CIA, part of the deep state that loathes Trump, and a CIA employee that the ICIG said was a partisan is where this all started. The whistleblower now has legal counsel tied to the dem party leadership and the complaint reads like it was written by a team of lawyers.

Then this pre-party is exposed.

I want to vomit...

 

[Brad69]

So why was the CIA employee posted to the White House on a short term “detail” ?

Was this a “mission” to collect data to file a complaint ?

So “shifty” was consulted as well as the rest of the Democrats, thats why Speaker Pelosi started impeachment inquiry before the transcripts were release?

 

[Doug]

OK....
I have read all the reports and documents pertinent to this story and have come to a surprising conclusion.


Somebody's Lying.

Somebody's lying!?!! And we're supposed to choose between Adam Schiff and the N.Y. Times??
How do you decide which liar is lying?

 

[Dead Duck]

Somebody's lying!?!! And we're supposed to choose between Adam Schiff and the N.Y. Times??
How do you decide which liar is lying?

Throw them in the lake to see if they float.

 

[KG1]

Throw them in the lake to see if they float.

They both would. Turds float.

 

[churchmouse]

They both would. Turds float.

Interesting. Mine are sinkers.

 

[bobzilla]

And does this whole affair make any of you a little queazy that the CIA, part of the deep state that loathes Trump, and a CIA employee that the ICIG said was a partisan is where this all started. The whistleblower now has legal counsel tied to the dem party leadership and the complaint reads like it was written by a team of lawyers.

Then this pre-party is exposed.

I want to vomit...

But orange man bad?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

They both would. Turds float.

Interesting. Mine are sinkers.

Mine are diet-dependent when it comes to determining their buoyancy I think.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Man, this conversation has turned to !

 

[Trigger Time]

Man it smells like bull schiff in here.