What is "Black Lives Matter"?

[qwerty]

Wait, I thought it was just arrests? You got conviction stats?

The link to the FBI stats are above as well as here: https://crime-data-explorer.fr.cloud.gov/
You can run the data for yourself, but those are the numbers for crime in the US.

 

[churchmouse]

The link to the FBI stats are above as well as here: https://crime-data-explorer.fr.cloud.gov/
You can run the data for yourself, but those are the numbers for crime in the US.

I understand you are kind of a dim bulb, so you don't have to keep proving it.

OK peoples this is right on the edge and this will stop.

 

[qwerty]

OK peoples this is right on the edge and this will stop.

Copy, edited.

 

[churchmouse]

Copy, edited.

I understand as anxiety's are high and emotion rules the day.

Lets stay civil as we can OK.

 

[BugI02]

That rhymes

 

[ultra...good]

“Even if the numbers are not accurate.” I’m just happy that you admitted it. I’m clear on the intentions of people who purposefully cite (or defend) inaccurate information like as was originally posted. I was just putting a spotlight on it. Carry on.

Selective editing does wonders to prove your point. You did not tabulate all of the info you provided to prove your point. Since you did not do this, you are definitely clear of your intentions of purposely citing inaccurate information like you claim (yet have not proven) to be inaccurate. Your spotlight was either burnt out or not functioning.

 

[ultra...good]

Wait, I thought it was just arrests? You got conviction stats? Oh, and if you don’t mind, please tell me where biracial people are listed? Are Black/White offspring included in that criminal Black group?

OH man, now you want to split hairs about bi-racial? How many bi-racial's do you know that identify as white? I will go first: Our first black president was what? Our first female VP was what?

 

[ultra...good]

That rhymes

He was rapping.

 

[churchmouse]

He was rapping.

 

[Kutnupe14]

OH man, now you want to split hairs about bi-racial? How many bi-racial's do you know that identify as white? I will go first: Our first black president was what? Our first female VP was what?

I think you unwittingly helped make my point. Think about it....
Further, you can’t actually say that Black people, individually, commit more crimes than White people. Now follow along, because this is some high end thinking. If one individual breaks into a home, kills the occupant, and then burns down the house, that individual has committed THREE crimes, and each crime is listed individually by the FBI. So whereas people may look at the stats and think it’s three separate instances, it’s actually one, committed by one perpetrator. You follow?
Next, you need to take a look at recidivism, or repeat offenders. I don’t think it takes a rocket scientist to know that mopes do mope things, and continue to do so. A guy who robs a liquor store isn’t going rob one and just stop. So, once again, you have an individual committing multiple crimes, with each crime, again, being listed individually. I’ve looked at a lot of criminal histories (and still do), it’s not uncommon for someone to commit a mind boggling amount of crimes. If your factoring in each crime as being committed by one unique individual, your numbers are going to be skewed if trying to make a one on one comparison. Here, I’ll give you an example of what I mean: If purple guy commits 10 crimes before he is caught, and 5 green guys each commit 1 crime before being caught, then according the the FBI, there are 10 crimes committed by purple people, and only 5 by green people. On its face one would conclude that “purple people are criminals” despite crime being more prevalent, individually, by green people. You still following?
I have yet to see any source that attempts to factor in the things I mentioned. Have you?
Now, I figure you’ll probably be dismissive of the points I made. That’s fine, I expect it. But for those want to think critically, they will understand that simply saying “Black people commit more crimes” at least on an individual basis, is far more complicated that looking at incomplete statistics.

 

[ultra...good]

I think you unwittingly helped make my point. Think about it....
Further, you can’t actually say that Black people, individually, commit more crimes than White people. Now follow along, because this is some high end thinking. If one individual breaks into a home, kills the occupant, and then burns down the house, that individual has committed THREE crimes, and each crime is listed individually by the FBI. So whereas people may look at the stats and think it’s three separate instances, it’s actually one, committed by one perpetrator. You follow?
Next, you need to take a look at recidivism, or repeat offenders. I don’t think it takes a rocket scientist to know that mopes do mope things, and continue to do so. A guy who robs a liquor store isn’t going rob one and just stop. So, once again, you have an individual committing multiple crimes, with each crime, again, being listed individually. I’ve looked at a lot of criminal histories (and still do), it’s not uncommon for someone to commit a mind boggling amount of crimes. If your factoring in each crime as being committed by one unique individual, your numbers are going to be skewed if trying to make a one on one comparison. Here, I’ll give you an example of what I mean: If purple guy commits 10 crimes before he is caught, and 5 green guys each commit 1 crime before being caught, then according the the FBI, there are 10 crimes committed by purple people, and only 5 by green people. On its face one would conclude that “purple people are criminals” despite crime being more prevalent, individually, by green people. You still following?
I have yet to see any source that attempts to factor in the things I mentioned. Have you?
Now, I figure you’ll probably be dismissive of the points I made. That’s fine, I expect it. But for those want to think critically, they will understand that simply saying “Black people commit more crimes” at least on an individual basis, is far more complicated that looking at incomplete statistics.

BLAH BLAH BLAH. Just admit you are wrong and walk away with your dignity. Anything else is just you shoveling more ****.

 

[Twangbanger]

I think you unwittingly helped make my point. Think about it....
Further, you can’t actually say that Black people, individually, commit more crimes than White people. Now follow along, because this is some high end thinking. If one individual breaks into a home, kills the occupant, and then burns down the house, that individual has committed THREE crimes, and each crime is listed individually by the FBI. So whereas people may look at the stats and think it’s three separate instances, it’s actually one, committed by one perpetrator. You follow?
Next, you need to take a look at recidivism, or repeat offenders. I don’t think it takes a rocket scientist to know that mopes do mope things, and continue to do so. A guy who robs a liquor store isn’t going rob one and just stop. So, once again, you have an individual committing multiple crimes, with each crime, again, being listed individually. I’ve looked at a lot of criminal histories (and still do), it’s not uncommon for someone to commit a mind boggling amount of crimes. If your factoring in each crime as being committed by one unique individual, your numbers are going to be skewed if trying to make a one on one comparison. Here, I’ll give you an example of what I mean: If purple guy commits 10 crimes before he is caught, and 5 green guys each commit 1 crime before being caught, then according the the FBI, there are 10 crimes committed by purple people, and only 5 by green people. On its face one would conclude that “purple people are criminals” despite crime being more prevalent, individually, by green people. You still following?
I have yet to see any source that attempts to factor in the things I mentioned. Have you?
Now, I figure you’ll probably be dismissive of the points I made. That’s fine, I expect it. But for those want to think critically, they will understand that simply saying “Black people commit more crimes” at least on an individual basis, is far more complicated that looking at incomplete statistics.

I don't think many are going to find this persuasive. First of all, there's kind of a "premise-clash" in the bold parts. The Green criminal isn't going to just commit one crime and stop, anymore than the Purple criminal. The "before being caught" part is the crux. So, what is it about purple skin that makes a person less likely to be caught sooner? Is it that purple communities don't get policed as ardently? Oh, wait...the SJWs over here are saying the police are harassing the heck out of them. Okay, scratch that. Is it that the Green people are being put in jail after their first offense, and therefore the reasonable person would conclude we need to replicate that in the Purple communities? Oh, wait...the SJWs over there are saying we need "less" incarceration of Purple people, not more. Okay, scratch that.

As you can see, this just goes around in circles, and doesn't enlighten. At the end of the day, based on what is given here, you're still left with the fact Purple folk commit twice as many crimes as Green folk. Reasonable people would see that conclusion as "done deal, no need to make it more complicated." And it would be kinda hard to tell them they're wrong.

 

[Hawkeye]

BLAH BLAH BLAH. Just admit you are wrong and walk away with your dignity. Anything else is just you shoveling more ****.

The next time he admits an error will be the first. I find it best not to ask him to admit error. also not to engage in "discussions" with him. You can easily get baited into a ban. Just some friendly advice.

 

[qwerty]

If one individual breaks into a home, kills the occupant, and then burns down the house, that individual has committed THREE crimes, and each crime is listed individually by the FBI. So whereas people may look at the stats and think it’s three separate instances, it’s actually one, committed by one perpetrator.

A guy who robs a liquor store isn’t going rob one and just stop. So, once again, you have an individual committing multiple crimes, with each crime, again, being listed individually.

So in your world, a person Commits a Burglary (Property Crime), a Homicide (Crime against a Person), and an Arson (Property Crime), or even better, robs 20 liquor stores they only committed one crime?

No wonder the Dems are so screwed up, the more crimes you commit, the less you have committed. Makes perfect sense.

 

[Kutnupe14]

BLAH BLAH BLAH. Just admit you are wrong and walk away with your dignity. Anything else is just you shoveling more ****.

I ain't wrong. You just lack the ability to understand the information you were presented with; hence why (as I stated) you would be dismissive.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I don't think many are going to find this persuasive. First of all, there's kind of a "premise-clash" in the bold parts. The Green criminal isn't going to just commit one crime and stop, anymore than the Purple criminal. The "before being caught" part is the crux. So, what is it about purple skin that makes a person less likely to be caught sooner? Is it that purple communities don't get policed as ardently? Oh, wait...the SJWs over here are saying the police are harassing the heck out of them. Okay, scratch that. Is it that the Green people are being put in jail after their first offense, and therefore the reasonable person would conclude we need to replicate that in the Purple communities? Oh, wait...the SJWs over there are saying we need "less" incarceration of Purple people, not more. Okay, scratch that.

As you can see, this just goes around in circles, and doesn't enlighten. At the end of the day, based on what is given here, you're still left with the fact Purple folk commit twice as many crimes as Green folk. Reasonable people would see that conclusion as "done deal, no need to make it more complicated." And it would be kinda hard to tell them they're wrong.

The reason my argument is, or should be persuasive, is due to the fact that there isn't a source, or even a study, that compiles all the information I mention. At least not enough to make a person to person comparison.
And the "before being caught," is inconsequential. I already explained recidivism, so being caught doesn't mean that someone stops committing crimes.

 

[chipbennett]

Gotta source from where you got that... um “interesting” graphic?

Yeah; the last I checked, the numbers had shifted - not enough to change the underlying point, but a shift to the better. (IIRC, it went from blacks committing violent crimes at a rate 8 times more than whites to a rate of under 7 times more. It's been a minute since I looked, though.)

(Oh, and I have always maintained - and still do - that this is a gang and drug problem, not a racial one.)

 

[Kutnupe14]

So in your world, a person Commits a Burglary (Property Crime), a Homicide (Crime against a Person), and an Arson (Property Crime), or even better, robs 20 liquor stores they only committed one crime?

No wonder the Dems are so screwed up, the more crimes you commit, the less you have committed. Makes perfect sense.

Apparently you didn't read, even the very beginning of my post. As I clearly answered that question.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Yeah; the last I checked, the numbers had shifted - not enough to change the underlying point, but a shift to the better. (IIRC, it went from blacks committing violent crimes at a rate 8 times more than whites to a rate of under 7 times more. It's been a minute since I looked, though.)

(Oh, and I have always maintained - and still do - that this is a gang and drug problem, not a racial one.)

That graphic said "of all crimes." Clearly that isn't factual. I asked for a source from where Q got that graphic, but so far, he has failed to provide that information. I'm betting the site it came from would be, um "interesting."

 

[churchmouse]

The next time he admits an error will be the first. I find it best not to ask him to admit error. also not to engage in "discussions" with him. You can easily get baited into a ban. Just some friendly advice.

Only if you let yourself.
I think most of you are smarter than that.....