Vaccine coercion/bribery

[rooster]

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F*** em VA care wasn’t that great anyway.

kinda goes along the lines of a conversation I had waiting to be paid working armed security. “What kind of idiot would try to stiff a hired gun?”

 

[foszoe]

F*** em VA care wasn’t that great anyway.

kinda goes along the lines of a conversation I had waiting to be paid working armed security. “What kind of idiot would try to stiff a hired gun?”

A mayor?

 

[Route 45]

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I don't remember anyone asking me politely if I wanted to join the vaccination jet injector conga line when I was in the Army, but that was quite a few years back.

Anyway...

Immunization Exemption Guidance

Exemption Guidance for immunizations

www.health.mil

 

[jamil]

It is a percentage I think. A certain amount of the anti-vaxxers will always be anti-vax regardless of how many trials there are, those that are grifting on the panic or those that do not want to acknowledge reality.

Face masks, hand washing, vaccines all make the reality of Covid-19 too real for some. Sort of like how carrying a gun acknowledges that the world is not all puppies and rainbows, this upsets many people and they do not want anyone to do it to upset their world. Masks are an inconvenience and vaccines are "unknown" (regardless of the number of trials).

Humans are really bad at risk assessment and will always overvalue comfort and undervalue a threat. I know part of what we are fighting is human nature and in this regard the government (both state and federal) have done a miserable job of educating the public allowing the snake oil salesmen to thrive.

Why do you keep getting human nature so wrong? There's a spectrum of people on any given topic, vaccines included. And yeah, there is a nutty part of that spectrum. I've found that it boils down to two things. Perception of risk and trust. If you perceive your risk to be high, you're way more likely to be in the "vaccinated long ago" category. If not, meh, you might get around to it whenever, or maybe not. If you don't trust the government/science/media/whatever, you're not gonna trust the vaccine.

Bitching about "grifters" and whatever pet pejorative names you have for them, isn't going to make vaccine-reluctant people less reluctant. But, here's something that might help the young invincibles get vaccinated. Have Stephen Cobert, where Millennials get their news, make fun of anti-vaccers on his show. But, some Stephen Cobert wannabe on the internet doesn't have any cred. Or. I dunno. Maybe it's a hobby. Whatever the case, you're not gonna convince anyone to be any more trusting or feel any less invulnerable.



One other point. Has it occurred to you that maybe the people you disagree with aren't the ones full of **** on some things? For example, if you think, oh, if only those knuckle dragging morons would wear their sacred cotton/blend face covering with 100% compliance the covid would die off, I think that's kinda nutty. You're on the wrong end of the spectrum. The revelation that covid is spread by aerosolized particles kinda blew that all to ****. And hey, I was right there too a year ago saying that people should wear masks because "science". Turns out. Masks are the snake oil. Vaccines? Coin toss favoring heads after 6 months if you're young. If you're old, probably should think about it if you're one of the 10% who didn't get it yet.

 

[DadSmith]

Vaccine inventor questions mandatory shot push, Biden’s Covid-19 strategy

The Biden Administration’s strategy to universally vaccinate in the middle of the pandemic is bad science and badly needs a reboot.

m.washingtontimes.com

Nothing to see here just that Dr. Robert Malone is the discoverer of in-vitro and in-vivo RNA transfection and the inventor of mRNA vaccines. I'm sure he has no clue what he's talking about.

 

[BugI02]

Had to look it up... Comirnaty. I wonder what the blazes that name means.

COMMIE RNA TY in?

 

[BugI02]

Bitching about "grifters" and whatever pet pejorative names you have for them, isn't going to make vaccine-reluctant people less reluctant

Are you sure that's the intended purpose?

Personally I think it more likely the purpose is stimulating the bitchee's dopamine system in order to create pleasurable, though illusory, feelings of superiority

 

[rhamersley]

Are you sure that's the intended purpose?

Personally I think it more likely the purpose is stimulating the bitchee's dopamine system in order to create pleasurable, though illusory, feelings of superiority

He deserves a button…

 

[jsharmon7]

I read a post by a nurse lamenting the loss of a vaccinated patient to Covid. The patient had been vaccinated, as was their spouse. The nurse used the post as a tirade against the unvaccinated, basically blaming for this person’s death. At this point, I’ve seen no evidence that variants only come from the unvaccinated. It’s beginning to seem like people are trying to ease their stress by blaming “them.” If only these other people would wear masks, stay home, get vaccinated, etc., this would all go away. I don’t think history has ever shown that a virus just goes away without mutating. Is it just easier to blame than to accept our situation with this pandemic?

The virus is potentially dangerous, and the vaccine seems to help. But, I’ve seen nothing to suggest the unvaccinated are causing the deaths of the vaccinated. I’d like to see it, if it exists.

Even if compliance was 100%, which is impossible, there would still be enough transmission and breakout cases that it would still be around, and mutating to get around defenses.

EDIT: I found an NY Times article from May, so prior to Delta variant. At that time, experts were estimating 80%+ needed vaccine/infection to reach herd immunity. If a more transmissible variant evolved (Delta), that number could reach 95%. Even in May the experts were saying herd immunity was unreachable. It’s a pipe dream.

 

[phylodog]

Is it just easier to blame than to accept our situation with this pandemic?

For leftists, yes. Reality does not mingle well with those who believe that saying you’re a basset hound means you’re a basset hound.

 

[jamil]

Are you sure that's the intended purpose?

Personally I think it more likely the purpose is stimulating the bitchee's dopamine system in order to create pleasurable, though illusory, feelings of superiority

Probably.

 

[jsx1043]

I read a post by a nurse lamenting the loss of a vaccinated patient to Covid. The patient had been vaccinated, as was their spouse. The nurse used the post as a tirade against the unvaccinated, basically blaming for this person’s death. At this point, I’ve seen no evidence that variants only come from the unvaccinated. It’s beginning to seem like people are trying to ease their stress by blaming “them.” If only these other people would wear masks, stay home, get vaccinated, etc., this would all go away. I don’t think history has ever shown that a virus just goes away without mutating. Is it just easier to blame than to accept our situation with this pandemic?

The virus is potentially dangerous, and the vaccine seems to help. But, I’ve seen nothing to suggest the unvaccinated are causing the deaths of the vaccinated. I’d like to see it, if it exists.

Even if compliance was 100%, which is impossible, there would still be enough transmission and breakout cases that it would still be around, and mutating to get around defenses.

EDIT: I found an NY Times article from May, so prior to Delta variant. At that time, experts were estimating 80%+ needed vaccine/infection to reach herd immunity. If a more transmissible variant evolved (Delta), that number could reach 95%. Even in May the experts were saying herd immunity was unreachable. It’s a pipe dream.

The real answer?

FEAR.

The quickly vaccinated are finally coming to grips with the fact that those of us who have been skeptical about the whole situation all along, along with being patient, analytical and keeping an eye towards liberty, are being proven time and time again that we were correct in our approach. The mindless adherence to government edicts, the rushed “science,” the political partisanship and maneuvering, the resulting destruction of work ethic, the supply chain, National and global economies... it’s all coming to fruition, just like we said it would. And it’s personally affecting them now. It didn’t affect them when they were all buttoned up tight in their McMansions working from home, but now that THEIR food costs and gas prices have gone up, and THEY can’t get good service at the restaurant now they are paying attention.

The approach that was taken was a slippery slope into despotism and tyranny, and they fell for it hook, line and sinker. They now have the fear of vaccine side effects - and knowing that they willingly played into the hands of the overreaching power players - they now have no choice but to suffer the consequences of their lack of ability to stand and fight for their own personal sovereignty... and if that means that they have to take everyone else with them, then by God, that’s what they’re going to do.

(And before anyone here loses their ****, NO I’m not talking about you. Unless you search deep within yourself and realize I’m right. You don’t have to admit it.)

 

[actaeon277]

Not saying it's right, but if they can mandate 'chemical castration' logic says they can mandate this. It becomes part of a plea deal, so the perp is basically being given the choice to reduce the length or severity of their sentence by complying with the court's requirements. It will be propagandized presented as a freely accepted choice

Well, first, I think castration should be a punishment, not a plea.

Next.. what about for bail?
I think there should be bail, something to "make" you return for trial.
I'm not sure how a vax shot would do that though.

 

[jsharmon7]

FEAR.

The quickly vaccinated are finally coming to grips with the fact that those of us who have been skeptical about the whole situation all along, along with being patient, analytical and keeping an eye towards liberty, are being proven time and time again that we were correct in our approach. The mindless adherence to government edicts, the rushed “science,” the political partisanship and maneuvering, the resulting destruction of work ethic, the supply chain, National and global economies... it’s all coming to fruition, just like we said it would. And it’s personally affecting them now. It didn’t affect them when they were all buttoned up tight in their McMansions working from home, but now that THEIR food costs and gas prices have gone up, and THEY can’t get good service at the restaurant now they are paying attention.

The approach that was taken was a slippery slope into despotism and tyranny, and they fell for it hook, line and sinker. They now have the fear of vaccine side effects - and knowing that they willingly played into the hands of the overreaching power players - they now have no choice but to suffer the consequences of their lack of ability to stand and fight for their own personal sovereignty... and if that means that they have to take everyone else with them, then by God, that’s what they’re going to do.

(And before anyone here loses their ****, NO I’m not talking about you. Unless you search deep within yourself and realize I’m right. You don’t have to admit it.)

I think fear is probably a major driving factor. I think a lot of folks have been scared for the past year and a half and thought the vaccine would be the savior. It turns out you can still die, so now there needs to be someone to blame.

I think the vaccine will save a lot of lives, but some will still die. I’ve seen enough really strange ways of dying to know when it’s my time, it’s my time.

 

[actaeon277]

It's supposedly because of increased medical (insurance) costs.

Well, are they then going to charge smokers and obese people?
Or, how about transexuals? That's more medical $$$

 

[BugI02]

Well, first, I think castration should be a punishment, not a plea.

Next.. what about for bail?
I think there should be bail, something to "make" you return for trial.
I'm not sure how a vax shot would do that though.

You are confusing the trial phase (or possibly sentencing phase), which that story is about, with such pre-trial maneuvering as entering a plea or getting released from pre-trial detention (bail)

 

[actaeon277]

I don't remember anyone asking me politely if I wanted to join the vaccination jet injector conga line when I was in the Army, but that was quite a few years back.

Anyway...

Immunization Exemption Guidance

Exemption Guidance for immunizations

www.health.mil

Well, weren't those vaccines pretty well established?
I got the same ones.

But I also remember while I was in, dating a woman in Pharma. Basically called us "pin cushions" and "test dummies". Because of the "new" stuff that hadn't gone through all the testing.
Also, I remember the military getting their hands smacked, because of severe adverse effects.
If I remember, malaria and anthrax

VA.gov | Veterans Affairs

Apply for and manage the VA benefits and services you’ve earned as a Veteran, Servicemember, or family member—like health care, disability, education, and more.

www.publichealth.va.gov

An anti-malaria drug may have inflicted permanent neurological injuries on some servicemembers

An antimalaria drug may have inflicted permanent neurological injuries on some servicemembers.

www.legion.org

Committee to Study Health Effects of Malaria Drugs Taken by US Troops

A National Academies group will consider the health consequences of medications, including mefloquine.

www.military.com

So, lately they've been sticking with the established stuff.

 

[actaeon277]

I think fear is probably a major driving factor. I think a lot of folks have been scared for the past year and a half and thought the vaccine would be the savior. It turns out you can still die, so now there needs to be someone to blame.

I think the vaccine will save a lot of lives, but some will still die. I’ve seen enough really strange ways of dying to know when it’s my time, it’s my time.

Yes. I agree.
Fear.
And the vax is supposed to be the "savior".

 

[maxwelhse]

I have friends and family members that are well to the left of me, so I see the memes and "news" stories that they share. There is a common and persistent belief that it is the unvaccinated that are the cause of the Covid variants. I really don't understand why people persist in believing bizarre stuff spread on social media, but I think it is the source of the vitriol. Here is an example of it:

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No one tell them that for almost 2 years most of us have just been:

 

[jsx1043]

The narrative is turning:

The Vaccinated Are Worried and Scientists Don’t Have Answers

www.bloomberg.com

And I’m putting out there, right here and now - THE VACCINE WILL CAUSE MORE DEATHS AND INJURIES THAN COVID ITSELF.

And I’ll be the first to buy $200 worth of pizzas if that statement doesn’t age well.

But I won’t be wrong.

VAERS Summary for COVID-19 Vaccines through 8/13/2021 – VAERS Analysis