FBI Report: Sandy Hook Was a Hoax to Promote Gun Control

[WebSnyper]

I believe it was settled after the trial but before appeals...

Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants - Wikipedia

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A twelve-person jury reached its verdict on the Liebeck case on August 18, 1994.[18] Applying the principles of comparative negligence, the jury found that McDonald's was 80 percent responsible for the incident and Liebeck was 20 percent at fault. Though there was a warning on the coffee cup, the jury decided that the warning was neither large enough nor sufficient. They awarded Liebeck $200,000 in compensatory damages, which was then reduced by 20 percent to $160,000. In addition, they awarded her $2.7 million in punitive damages. According to The New York Times, the jurors arrived at this figure from Morgan's suggestion to penalize McDonald's for two days' worth of coffee revenues, which were about $1.35 million per day.[21][2]

The judge reduced punitive damages to $480,000, three times the compensatory amount, for a total of $640,000. The decision was appealed by both McDonald's and Liebeck in December 1994, but the parties settled out of court for an undisclosed amount.[22] The Albuquerque Journal ran the first story of the verdict, followed by the Associated Press wire, which was in turn picked up by newspapers around the world; however as the story spread, its word count grew smaller, preventing people from learning the more important details.[23]

 

[Ingomike]

Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Was finishing my post when you posted this...

 

[WebSnyper]

I believe it was settled after the trial but before appeals.

And I stand by my point, coffee is supposed to be hot, consumers have now lost the ability to get good hot coffee that isn't cold before you get to work. The jury found the woman negligent in her actions but wanted to punish MD because to many stupid humans were dumping coffee in their laps and MD knew it and did not choose to serve cold coffee...

According to the info on Wikipedia, McDonald's still serves it that hot, as well as many other retailers.

The jury found her 20% responsible and McDonald's 80%.

All that said, it cost McDonald's much more to try and defend that suit than it would have cost otherwise, which is what your original point was about. I don't really care about coffee.

Now what's ridiculous is how much Starbucks charges. Only reason I know how much it costs is due to my wife being their customer. Personally I'd rather go to a convenience store on Christmas day and purchase feminine hygiene products than go to a Starbucks...

 

[Ingomike]

The old woman had 3rd degree burns and was just asking for them to cover her medical bills for an estimated 20k including skin grafts from their absurdly hot coffee. The woman didn't set the amount, the jury/whoever set the fee just chose 2 days of coffee sales which turned out to be a **** ton of money. Judge then adjusted the amounts down.

For an easy source, it's on Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants

Need to find a source beyond Wikipedia that can change daily... LOL

 

[Ingomike]

Just curious, couldn't the same logic used in the coffee case be used against gun manufacturers?

 

[JEBland]

Need to find a source beyond Wikipedia that can change daily... LOL

So we defend Alex Jones and InfoWars but Wiki is dubious?

The nerds who moderate Wiki are pretty serious about it. Plus, there's a bunch of original sources right there in the page. It's a much better resource than a single news article that will just be accused of being biased or outright lying. Wikipedia is a fantastic source, especially for things long settled like this. News and "news" articles can also change daily when they **** up the story by giving reports on hearsay.

As for gun manufacturers, if the manufacturer produces something inherently unsafe or faulty, then they can be sued. But all of the cover your rear in the product manuals these days probably circumvents most of that liability. But Remington faced a lawsuit and did a recall on triggers, no? Tort is an inherent part of our legal system. Better designed cups, warning labels, safer safeties, etc are all to reduce the risk of that (and hopefully because they genuinely want to produce a great product).

 

[Ingomike]

So we defend Alex Jones and InfoWars but Wiki is dubious?

The nerds who moderate Wiki are pretty serious about it. Plus, there's a bunch of original sources right there in the page. It's a much better resource than a single news article that will just be accused of being biased or outright lying. Wikipedia is a fantastic source, especially for things long settled like this. News and "news" articles can also change daily when they **** up the story by giving reports on hearsay.

As for gun manufacturers, if the manufacturer produces something inherently unsafe or faulty, then they can be sued. But all of the cover your rear in the product manuals these days probably circumvents most of that liability. But Remington faced a lawsuit and did a recall on triggers, no? Tort is an inherent part of our legal system. Better designed cups, warning labels, safer safeties, etc are all to reduce the risk of that (and hopefully because they genuinely want to produce a great product).

i have never defended Jones, other than his right to free speech.

Enjoy your Wikipedia, I'll pass on it as a reliable source...

 

[fullmetaljesus]

You would not want my coffee on your private parts either... LOL

Coffee is best brewed at a little over 200 degrees but under boiling...

What is ridiculously hot coffee?

You're right keep your coffee on your privates not mine. And ridiculously hot coffee is any coffee that can turn a taco into a burrito.

 

[Ingomike]

You're right keep your coffee on your privates not mine. And ridiculously hot coffee is any coffee that can turn a taco into a burrito.

Enjoy your cold coffee...

 

[fullmetaljesus]

Enjoy your cold coffee...

I wish coffee tastes as good as it smells. I've never had a cup I enjoyed.

I do enjoy tea though.

 

[NKBJ]

After having a cup and letting May Bell back in from looking for small animals to harass, was laying in bed and what I'd remembered about Halbig came floating across. I asked myself why would anybody go for the "nobody died" narrative if evidence in hand pointed to an op? I mean really, it would just hopelessly shut down the efforts and make pariahs of any willing investigators.

 

[jsharmon7]

I met the guy who wrote the CT State Police AAR for Sandy Hook. He seemed pretty sure what he saw was real.

 

[HoughMade]

I met the guy who wrote the CT State Police AAR for Sandy Hook. He seemed pretty sure what he saw was real.

So....you're in on it too.

Nice to know who I'm dealing with, here.

 

[NKBJ]

I met the guy who wrote the CT State Police AAR for Sandy Hook. He seemed pretty sure what he saw was real.

Have any ideas on why a security consultant / ex-state trooper would go for the nobody died narrative?

 

[jsharmon7]

Have any ideas on why a security consultant / ex-state trooper would go for the nobody died narrative?

What’s his name?

 

[JEBland]

What’s his name?

Wolfgang Halbig

 

[jsharmon7]

Wolfgang Halbig

A quick Google search seems to indicate he wasn’t present at Sandy Hook. The guy who wrote the AAR I’m referring to was there. He responded to the shooter’s home and found his deceased mother, and then responded to the school. He gave a presentation about the incident and I believe 100% it happened as he said.

 

[JettaKnight]

Have any ideas on why a security consultant / ex-state trooper would go for the nobody died narrative?

Same reason as anyone else.

Being an ex-cop doesn't prevent you from getting sucked in.
Did you see Wolfgang's mugshots or read what he did?

My guess is some sandwiches fell out of his picnic basket at some point.

EDIT: I see he's a "Florida man". Figures.

 

[JEBland]

A quick Google search seems to indicate he wasn’t present at Sandy Hook. The guy who wrote the AAR I’m referring to was there. He responded to the shooter’s home and found his deceased mother, and then responded to the school. He gave a presentation about the incident and I believe 100% it happened as he said.

I just gave the name that was given in post #751. I'm not going to sink my time into arguing the conspiracy theory or the validity of the objectively awesome Wikipedia as I don't think it'll be a productive use of time (read as: I can't phrase the argument for Wiki any more politely than I already have by pointing out how Wiki articles come with a slew of references).

 

[jsharmon7]

I just gave the name that was given in post #751. I'm not going to sink my time into arguing the conspiracy theory or the validity of the objectively awesome Wikipedia as I don't think it'll be a productive use of time (read as: I can't phrase the argument for Wiki any more politely than I already have by pointing out how Wiki articles come with a slew of references).

I was just referring to the post I quoted. I was just curious as to who the former state trooper was. I took your response as indicating Wolfgang was the trooper in question. I’m not sure if you’re saying he is, or just repeating someone’s name. I’ll wait for NKBJ.