The Real Costs of Electric Car Ownership - CNET

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Study found 23% of charging stations were non-functioning.

Now, wouldn't that be great. It already takes forever to charge these things compared to a gas stop. Imagine having to wait in line for a spot, mostly because several of the ones at your stop aren't working...and you don't have enough charge to go on to the next one.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

This guy used to be a good follow over on Twitter…before they canceled him.

price of gasoline too high? buy an EV!​

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[Cameramonkey]

Not sure if I read this here or elsewhere. Not surprised, been saying this for years.

Journalist Takes Road Trip in Electric Car, Spends More Time Charging Than Sleeping - Now Says Gas Smells So Sweet

Thinking of taking a road trip in an electric vehicle? You might want to think again after reading about this nightmare journey.

www.westernjournal.com

 

[Ingomike]

Not sure if I read this here or elsewhere. Not surprised, been saying this for years.

Journalist Takes Road Trip in Electric Car, Spends More Time Charging Than Sleeping - Now Says Gas Smells So Sweet

Thinking of taking a road trip in an electric vehicle? You might want to think again after reading about this nightmare journey.

www.westernjournal.com

Nice find…

 

[Percolater]

Because people take 2000 mile trips so often, darn EVs are so impractical.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Because people take 2000 mile trips so often, darn EVs are so impractical.

Damn, dude! Skimming your posts, you sure have a hard-on for EVs. are you sure you are on the right forum? only like 3 gun related posts in your history most of the rest are EV related. Ed Begley Jr, is that you?

And I regularly travel by car for business. Last trip was IND to EVV to LOU to LEX to Cincy to Columbus (OH) to IND I've got plenty of time for a 10 minute pit stop. I have ZERO time for sitting around a Walmart parking lot for 30+ minutes waiting for my car to charge. IF it even charges. That conjures up memories of watching Mad Max where they arent sure where the next drops of petrol can be found and if they can actually get to the end of their journey.

EV chargers are like filling a 55 gallon barrel with a gravity fed 1/8" tube. Aint nobody got time for that.

Call me when I can charge an EV to 100% (400 miles) in under 10 minutes. Then we can talk.

And yes, I'm compromising since I can fill my 16 gallon tank in under 5 for the same mileage.

 

[MCgrease08]

GM's Environment and Energy Policy Executive gave reporters a look at the new Chevy Volt. One of them asked her where the electric power comes from. It's at this point she tries to dodge answering the question of what's actually powering these "green" cars.

Spoiler alert: it's powered by coal, but she doesn't want to say that.

Then things went south when someone asked, “So what’s charging the batteries right now?”

Just to be clear, Zimmerman is no dummy. She has multiple degrees, including a Ph.D. in Engineering Mechanics. It isn’t that she doesn’t know the answer — it’s that she doesn’t l want to admit it while showing off GM’s renewed EV efforts.

“Well, it’s here,” Zimmerman said. “It’s coming from the building.”

Chevy Volt Short-Circuit: Virtue-Signaling GM Exec Gets Owned on Clean Energy

pjmedia.com

 

[Cameramonkey]

GM's Environment and Energy Policy Executive gave reporters a look at the new Chevy Volt. One of them asked her where the electric power comes from. It's at this point she tries to dodge answering the question of what's actually powering these "green" cars.

Spoiler alert: it's powered by coal, but she doesn't want to say that.

Chevy Volt Short-Circuit: Virtue-Signaling GM Exec Gets Owned on Clean Energy

pjmedia.com

So @Percolater loves coal powered cars? Sounds so EnVironmentally sound.

 

[IndyTom]

One of our bigger trips these days is to Cedar Point. ~250 miles each way and the only super chargers (near CP) appear to be on the Ohio turnpike. I can make that roundtrip (starting with a full tank) with one gas station stop now and have the rest of my time free for fun at the park or getting back home. In an EV, if I could make it there on the initial charge (and I do love some air conditioning on my trips), I’d still be stuck for at least 30 minutes at a charger on the turnpike. If, not, I have to stop somewhere in Ft Wayne for 20 minutes and the again on the turnpike and then again in Ft Wayne?

Heck, I know someone with a Tesla who took 4 hours to get to Indy from Louisville due to needing a charge. That’s some

 

[churchmouse]

My guess is that the future of electric cars will follow the politics and demographics of the hipster crowd. Some chinese company will produce a low cost car and only lease it and there will be little differences or maybe none in the cars other than color. You turn it back in after a certain amount of time, sign a new lease and drive out with the same thing. The dealership will strip off all usable parts which will all interchange and ship the car "core" with the batteries inside to a recycle division specifically set up for those cars.

All they will need will be a politically correct figurehead CEO here in the states and the government will probably pay them to make the cars.

Don't keep up with lease payments and they will brick your car from sattelite and send the repo man, a black mark on your social credit score.

Satellite will also track your movements and speed, another black mark for those with lead feet and the travel info will be sold to info brokers.

The thrill of driving will be a memory like the Red Barchetta.

My uncle has a country place that no one knows about. He said it used to be a farm before the motor laws

 

[wtburnette]

GM's Environment and Energy Policy Executive gave reporters a look at the new Chevy Volt. One of them asked her where the electric power comes from. It's at this point she tries to dodge answering the question of what's actually powering these "green" cars.

Spoiler alert: it's powered by coal, but she doesn't want to say that.

Chevy Volt Short-Circuit: Virtue-Signaling GM Exec Gets Owned on Clean Energy

pjmedia.com

Stephen Green is great. I watch him from time to time on Bill Whittle videos on YT. Especially good when they do the lightning round Right Angle videos.

 

[Percolater]

Damn, dude! Skimming your posts, you sure have a hard-on for EVs. are you sure you are on the right forum? only like 3 gun related posts in your history most of the rest are EV related. Ed Begley Jr, is that you?

And I regularly travel by car for business. Last trip was IND to EVV to LOU to LEX to Cincy to Columbus (OH) to IND I've got plenty of time for a 10 minute pit stop. I have ZERO time for sitting around a Walmart parking lot for 30+ minutes waiting for my car to charge. IF it even charges. That conjures up memories of watching Mad Max where they arent sure where the next drops of petrol can be found and if they can actually get to the end of their journey.

EV chargers are like filling a 55 gallon barrel with a gravity fed 1/8" tube. Aint nobody got time for that.

Call me when I can charge an EV to 100% (400 miles) in under 10 minutes. Then we can talk.

And yes, I'm compromising since I can fill my 16 gallon tank in under 5 for the same mileage.

You got me!, I do love my EV's, as the family is on their 4th currently. Sorry if I come off abrasive when I refute some of the nonsense posted, I'm used to convincing friends to give them a try. Sounds like an EV might not be right for you currently, although a Mad Max decked out EV would be badass!
On the bright side, you would have plenty of time to post on INGO while you wait to charge

 

[Percolater]

So @Percolater loves coal powered cars? Sounds so EnVironmentally sound.

Nah, I don't care about environment. I still burn couches when my teams win championships

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Call me when I can charge an EV to 100% (400 miles) in under 10 minutes. Then we can talk.

And yes, I'm compromising since I can fill my 16 gallon tank in under 5 for the same mileage.

This is where I'm at. I'm not necessarily anti-EV. I'm anti-blowing-smoke-up-my-***. When they're reasonably equivalent to gas/diesel powered vehicles (especially for the pre-ESG priced fuel) in price, refueling time, range, reliability, etc., I'll be on board.

There are those that like being on the bleeding edge of technology and I'm all for them. What I resent is the push to force the rest of us into drinking the koolaid by those encouraging the government to make us.

 

[wtburnette]

This is where I'm at. I'm not necessarily anti-EV. I'm anti-blowing-smoke-up-my-***. When they're reasonably equivalent to gas/diesel powered vehicles (especially for the pre-ESG priced fuel) in price, refueling time, range, reliability, etc., I'll be on board.

There are those that like being on the bleeding edge of technology and I'm all for them. What I resent is the push to force the rest of us into drinking the koolaid by those encouraging the government to make us.

I'll admit I'm completely against them. The reason is that we don't have the infrastructure to support their use under the same scenarios as a standard gas/diesel powered vehicle. Even if we had charging stations available in a similar manner to gas stations, we don't have the power infrastructure to handle it. California is a great example of this as they have a lot of electric vehicles owned there, but have rolling blackouts and other power issues showing that if electric cars were more heavily adopted, things would become much worse. The Bidiot administration is making things worse due to their crippling our oil/coal/natural gas infrastructure.

Add to that the fact that there isn't enough availability of resources to make enough electric cars to meet the demand if the demand ramped up quickly and mining for those resources and the disposal of those resources are horrid for the environment, making the messaging of saving the environment sheer hypocricy.

I'd love to see government incentives removed from everything having to do with these vehicles, from purchasing rebates, to any government assistance in the development and marketing efforts for the manufacturer. I strongly believe that if they had to compete on the free market without such incentives, they would either fail or be nothing more than a fringe product.

 

[xwing]

This is where I'm at. I'm not necessarily anti-EV. I'm anti-blowing-smoke-up-my-***. When they're reasonably equivalent to gas/diesel powered vehicles (especially for the pre-ESG priced fuel) in price, refueling time, range, reliability, etc., I'll be on board.

There are those that like being on the bleeding edge of technology and I'm all for them. What I resent is the push to force the rest of us into drinking the koolaid by those encouraging the government to make us.

Absolutely. If a new product comes out (EV) and people choose to buy it of their own volition (and not because the government has rigged the deck, which is what's actually happening), then great! That's the beauty of capitalism and competition. If the government would stay away from forcing people into EVs, I'd have no problem with them whatsoever.

But I just came back from a 5,000 mile trip out West. I can't imagine what nightmare it would've been with an EV!

 

[actaeon277]

Lawmakers want Army to set up program to experiment with electrical tactical vehicle operations​

Lawmakers want Army to set up program to experiment with electrical tactical vehicle operations

Lawmakers want the Army to evaluate the possibility of running a pilot program examining how electric vehicles might operate on the battlefield at a training center, according to the House Armed Services Tactical Air and Land Subcommittee fiscal 2023 authorization bill mark.

www.armytimes.com

Army Times on FaceBook has some comments.
Apparently, people think it's not the smartest idea.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Lawmakers want Army to set up program to experiment with electrical tactical vehicle operations​

Lawmakers want Army to set up program to experiment with electrical tactical vehicle operations

Lawmakers want the Army to evaluate the possibility of running a pilot program examining how electric vehicles might operate on the battlefield at a training center, according to the House Armed Services Tactical Air and Land Subcommittee fiscal 2023 authorization bill mark.

www.armytimes.com

Army Times on FaceBook has some comments.
Apparently, people think it's not the smartest idea.

So how do you charge an EV tank or Humvee behind enemy lines? Especially after you have destroyed their infrastructure?

We are doomed.

 

[Route 45]

So how do you charge an EV tank or Humvee behind enemy lines? Especially after you have destroyed their infrastructure?

We are doomed.

We’re doomed if luddites carry the day. Nothing wrong with looking into possible advantages of hybrid or full EV platforms for some military vehicles, depending on applications. If anyone bothers to read the article, it mentions hybrids by 2035 and possible full EVs by 2050. So it’s not like drag queens in Teslas next week. Relax.

Hybrid powertrains can be both more efficient and more powerful than standard ICE platforms. Whether that translates into better military vehicles remains to be seen, but we sure can’t know that without testing them.

 

[churchmouse]

We’re doomed if luddites carry the day. Nothing wrong with looking into possible advantages of hybrid or full EV platforms for some military vehicles, depending on applications. If anyone bothers to read the article, it mentions hybrids by 2035 and possible full EVs by 2050. So it’s not like drag queens in Teslas next week. Relax.

Hybrid powertrains can be both more efficient and more powerful than standard ICE platforms. Whether that translates into better military vehicles remains to be seen, but we sure can’t know that without testing them.

Look around at the Nat. Guard posts. Vehicles stored long term with little use. This equipment is pulled into service rapidly when they needs arise.
How long do you think an EV based tactical rig would live in those usage environments?
The additional costs involved to add charging facility's to any given base and the butt load of extra generators (fossil powered of course) to charge this crap in the field.
This is not only just a bad idea. It is the worst possible idea based on current EV tech.