I Can not tell if I am more Angry or Hurt?

[brdhntr37]

Very tragic events. Kids are very curious, but I've been trying to teach that guns are not to be touched (my son is 4). The key to it all tho is to not keep my guns where he can get to them... I keep all mine locked up or way out of reach for that very reason. I couldn't imagine

 

[NHT3]

Dumbing kids down in general is the game plan and the powers that be don't seem to care how many are lost to fentanyl, guns or anything else.. Stupid is easily led and the losses are just the collateral damage that's acceptable so future votes are easy to get.

 

[bwframe]

I mean why are we sitting around waiting for ”someone” to fix it? It starts with parents being parents. Actually that would solve a whole host of current problems.

Careful now, my friend. I have gotten in some pretty wicked knock down drag out's with a few INGOers, arguing just what you are saying here. Some folks take real offense in being told that parents need to parent.

 

[bwframe]

Very tragic events. Kids are very curious, but I've been trying to teach that guns are not to be touched (my son is 4). The key to it all tho is to not keep my guns where he can get to them... I keep all mine locked up or way out of reach for that very reason. I couldn't imagine

That's a good plan, but you also need a failsafe. You have a medical condition and the pistol on your belt or in your hand is now in your boy's. He must know how to handle that, when you are not capable of helping him.


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[brdhntr37]

I agree 100%. At this age tho (at least for us) better to just leave it alone. Next couple years I plan to introduce more of the gun safety aspect

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Possibly I’m mistaken but I think it (gun safety) may be more prevalent in rural communities than in an urban environment.

Only saying that due to lifestyle.

Maybe a bit, but see below. I live in a more rural than urban environment. In town but a pretty rural town.

A 6 yo in Evansville found his parent's gun this week and accidentally shot himself. Eddie eagle used to be taught in the schools. I don't know if it still is.

I got it into the local head start years ago. When I first brought it up in a meeting you would think I was suggesting animal sacrifices at the least. After explaining what it was, what it taught, all the agencies and such that gave it high marks and encouraged using it or similar. They were starting to come around. Then I said I didn't know if any of them had any firearms in their house and that I wasn't asking if they did. But that about 50% of households have firearms, and being in a more rural area the percentage was higher. Then mentioned them going over to a friends house.

 

[Ark]

Seems there is no issue teaching multiple levels of math, English or any other subject, so why not age appropriate firearms training Through out their academic years?

We're not allowed to, because guns r scary.

Never trust the government to teach your child about the world. The government is incompetent, evil, and purposefully teaching them nonsense. The only way to keep your child from falling victim to the hazards of the world is to take responsibility for it yourself.

 

[Dean C.]

This is not a school issue full stop , the state of Indiana says teachers are worth 40K a year, amusing to me that so many people don't realize that does not buy you good teachers.

 

[DadSmith]

IIRC at South Ripley schools in the 8th grade my children were able to take hunters safety course in school. I remember signing a consent form to allow them.
I also took them to the amazing hunters safety course at Laughery Valley Fish and Game club.
If you are in this area and have children sign them up for the course there. You will be glad you did.
My experience is from many years ago, but I'm sure they still teach it in the same manner.

 

[Mij]

Just my opinion of course, but I don’t think good teachers get into the profession for the money.

 

[OkieGirl]

...Then mentioned them going over to a friends house.

THIS! 100% THIS! If your child is ever outside of your home it would be beneficial for their safety if they understood the basics (I do understand that this is age dependent). When one of my boys was a 4th grader his biological father (who had not previously owned any guns) handed my son a loaded pistol during a court mandated visitation period. The father was showing off his new purchase and was giving ZERO instruction to the child about what to do and safe handling, etc...

My son took the pistol he was handed, dropped the magazine and cleared the round in the chamber. When he told us about this after returning from his fathers house I can tell you that I've never been more relieved that we took the time to teach our kids that little bit of safety. At that time in their lives we really didn't have them shooting pistols, it wasn't something that we were ready to do with them yet, but they all knew how to make one safe. We had been training them with bolt action rifles at local ranges, but other than basic safety, pistols were a little early for them.

 

[BigRed]

Seems there is no issue teaching multiple levels of math, English or any other subject, so why not age appropriate firearms training Through out their academic years?

None of those subjects are effectively taught by schools any longer.

 

[Ingomike]

Never trust the government to teach your child about the world.

This!

 

[BigRed]

You can’t raise them all.

True.

And my responsibility is to raise my own.

 

[BigRed]

We're not allowed to, because guns r scary.

Never trust the government to teach your child about the world. The government is incompetent, evil, and purposefully teaching them nonsense. The only way to keep your child from falling victim to the hazards of the world is to take responsibility for it yourself.

AMEN

 

[brdhntr37]

IIRC at South Ripley schools in the 8th grade my children were able to take hunters safety course in school. I remember signing a consent form to allow them.

Assuming the school has the budget, this is great! Be nice if more schools could follow suit

 

[BJHay]

Just looking for some type of viable solution.

Teaching the kids is the only answer and that information will only come from parents or schools.

Schools teach 'stranger-danger', looking both ways before crossing and myriad of other things but guns are taboo. I don't see that changing soon. Some parents don't understand guns, are politically opposed to any mention of them or simply don't give a damn about the kids.

Eddie Eagle or a similar program in the schools is the best answer but it's not viable in our culture.

 

[Creedmoor]

Very tragic events. Kids are very curious, but I've been trying to teach that guns are not to be touched (my son is 4). The key to it all tho is to not keep my guns where he can get to them... I keep all mine locked up or way out of reach for that very reason. I couldn't imagine

The house I grew up in had a couple of the wood and glass two door gun cabinets in the living room. Neither cabinet had locks on the doors, all of my fathers children had full knowledge that opening up a cabinet door was met with a painfull experience.
And it wasn't from a gun.

 

[Dean C.]

Just my opinion of course, but I don’t think good teachers get into the profession for the money.

That would explain why I have two ex STEM teachers working for me now... There are not enough "good" teachers willing to be destitute for all the kids in America to be effectively educated. It's why for the last several years ANYONE who graduates with a STEM degree can get a emergency teaching licence.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

This is not a school issue full stop , the state of Indiana says teachers are worth 40K a year, amusing to me that so many people don't realize that does not buy you good teachers.

Can you show me where the state of Indiana says that? Considering that salaries are negotiated at the local level, I kinda doubt it. Oh and average starting salary is right about 38k, top is 70K. And that is for working 3/4ths of a year, and I don't believe includes benefits. Last year when the subject of teacher pay came up, I checked some of the contracts. Everyone the school paid the teachers portion of their pension fund for instance.

Also their wages were when factoring in amount of year worked, right in line with other degrees such as nursing or mechanical engineers.

That would explain why I have two ex STEM teachers working for me now... There are not enough "good" teachers willing to be destitute for all the kids in America to be effectively educated. It's why for the last several years ANYONE who graduates with a STEM degree can get a emergency teaching licence.

Destitute? See above. Average starting salary of around 38k for 9 months of work, which works out to be about 50k for a year round position and for top pay a little over 90k.