Enough is enough!': Fraternal Order of Police president calls out 'pro-criminal' prosecutors and politicians

[BehindBlueI's]

End of year contributions.

If FOP cared about things other than FOP it would help it's membership focus on local elections for Prosecuting Attorney (Commonwealth Attorney, District Attorney, what have you).

....which it does.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Okay Kirk, I didn't say the death penalty was a failure. I said it's not working because it's not being implemented properly - that is, carried through. Lack of courage to do the right thing.

The right thing being "carrying out executions"? You think the State of Indiana has the resources for that? Do you think they want to especially in light of the lethal injection hijinks in Texas making it more and more probable that the Supreme Court abolishes lethal injection, the only means in Indiana for execution?

The State of Indiana stepped on its own crank for decades as to executions that's why there only have been 20 and none since 2009. It's in a box and it can't get out. The death penalty is a complete and utter failure. .gov lost, they need to move on.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

....which it does.

I'll look into it then. Thanks.

It has been my experience that FOP really believes in the FOP and that's about it.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I'll look into it then. Thanks.

It has been my experience that FOP really believes in the FOP and that's about it.

Marion Co FOP did a no confidence vote on Mears, endorsed his rival, spoke about it to anyone who would listen in the media, etc. Our PAC has very little money, so we have very little sway other than endorsements. As I'm sure you're aware, union dues and PAC donations are separate buckets.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Marion Co FOP did a no confidence vote on Mears, endorsed his rival, spoke about it to anyone who would listen in the media, etc. Our PAC has very little money, so we have very little sway other than endorsements. As I'm sure you're aware, union dues and PAC donations are separate buckets.

That's not the National FOP. What did they say?

(I'll look for any statement by NFOP)

 

[BehindBlueI's]

That's not the National FOP. What did they say?

(I'll look for any statement by NFOP)

The National FOP's role isn't to recommend a prosecutor in each of over 3,000 counties in 50 states plus territories in the United States and it's ridiculous to think they should. That's what the state and local chapters are for.

 

[DeadeyeChrista'sdad]

The root cause of all of this is single motherhood. While I agree that the judges and prosecutors are negligent in their duties we must hold single moms accountable.

I used to do all I could to support single moms....

 

[IN New Guy]

The right thing being "carrying out executions"? You think the State of Indiana has the resources for that? Do you think they want to especially in light of the lethal injection hijinks in Texas making it more and more probable that the Supreme Court abolishes lethal injection, the only means in Indiana for execution?

The State of Indiana stepped on its own crank for decades as to executions that's why there only have been 20 and none since 2009. It's in a box and it can't get out. The death penalty is a complete and utter failure. .gov lost, they need to move on.

I will attempt to answer your questions and then be done with it. You will not change my mind and I suppose I will not change yours.

1. The right thing? Yes, carry out executions if so ordered by the court as punishment. I recommend hanging in the town square.
2. Indiana resources? I wouldn't know, I'm not the Attorney General or the State Treasurer. I hear they are running a huge budget surplus right now, so my GUESS is "Yes, they have the resources." Other states do.
3. The Supreme Court to abolish lethal injection? IDK, I'm not a constitutional lawyer who practices in front of the SCOTUS. (Maybe you are??) I have seen the news where on numerous occasions, within the last year, the SCOTUS has given the go-ahead for several state executions using lethal injections. It's no more painful than you or I going to the lab to have blood drawn for a physical exam every year. Maybe we should just go to nitrogen asphyxiation. It's painless and there is a lot of nitrogen to be had. Viola!
4. Gov't needs to move on? If it's on the books, and kidnappers/rapists/murders are so sentenced, it should be carried out after appropriate appeals. If it is not going to be used, the states should just do away with capital punishment. But that would not be justice for someone who has shed another's blood in "cold blood."

 

[Shadow01]

Already the law in Indiana (both are aggs for death penalty).

How is that working out?

Death sentences should by law be carried out within 30 days of sentencing. You get 1 appeal at the 15 day mark and the judge gets 10 days to rule on that appeal. Remove clemency for any death penalty conviction.

after a year, things will get real and change.

ask the N.O. Katrina transplants to Texas that were arrested for capital crimes. Oh most of them have been put to death already.

 

[Shadow01]

The right thing being "carrying out executions"? You think the State of Indiana has the resources for that? Do you think they want to especially in light of the lethal injection hijinks in Texas making it more and more probable that the Supreme Court abolishes lethal injection, the only means in Indiana for execution?

The State of Indiana stepped on its own crank for decades as to executions that's why there only have been 20 and none since 2009. It's in a box and it can't get out. The death penalty is a complete and utter failure. .gov lost, they need to move on.

Bollets are about 50 cents

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Death sentences should by law be carried out within 30 days of sentencing. You get 1 appeal at the 15 day mark and the judge gets 10 days to rule on that appeal. Remove clemency for any death penalty conviction.

after a year, things will get real and change.

ask the N.O. Katrina transplants to Texas that were arrested for capital crimes. Oh most of them have been put to death already.

A complete denial of due process. It takes months just to do the transcript on a DP case, lol. Remove the constitutional authority of the Governor to grant pardons and clemency? Lol, not without giant political fights and amending constitutions.

I thought INGO was a big fan of the Constitution? Perhaps not.

Where is that New Orleans stat coming from?

For 2022 Texas executed 5 individuals and only 2 in the entire state were sentenced to death.

https://www.davisvanguard.org/2022/12/texas-2022-death-penalty-report-confirms-historic-low-level-of-executions/

 

[XMil]

This is a purely academic conversation because we are dealing in theories. Theories are great for books and talk shows. They are CRAP for the beat officer. I currently work, and have worked for the last 20 years, in the poor area of Indy. I was born, raised, and currently live here as well. Why would I care one ounce about what kids in Carmel/Zionsville are and are not getting pulled over for? What would those officers in those different jurisdictions care about Indy? My officers know crime happens all around them in these poor neighborhoods. It's a fallacy to believe that they are looking for the same things as officers in Carmel. I would even say that officers in these poor communities are MORE lenient regarding low level crime than wealthier communities because they only have time to deal with the major crimes. I think it's laughable to believe that ALL poor communities are policed one way and ALL wealthy another. Policing is VERY specific to neighborhoods and what they are asking for. Indy has 6 different policing districts and they are ALL policed differently with different crime initiatives. Those are based on community input and crime statistics. Fishing for traffic stops are for those departments that have nothing else better to do. Typically in better off areas. Officers in poorer, busier areas, don't have time for that.

Somebody asked how some communities get to the point of not helping the police. I posted a solid reference to a good STARTING point on that. I also said it is a very long answer.

If you would like to discuss the original topic of my reply, without disregarding the reference I posted, I would love to hear it. Nothing you said helps explain why people in some communities come to the point of not wanting to help the police.

 

[Shadow01]

A complete denial of due process. It takes months just to do the transcript on a DP case, lol. Remove the constitutional authority of the Governor to grant pardons and clemency? Lol, not without giant political fights and amending constitutions.

I thought INGO was a big fan of the Constitution? Perhaps not.

Where is that New Orleans stat coming from?

For 2022 Texas executed 5 individuals and only 2 in the entire state were sentenced to death.

https://www.davisvanguard.org/2022/12/texas-2022-death-penalty-report-confirms-historic-low-level-of-executions/

Katrina didn’t happen in 2022.

 

[Shadow01]

A complete denial of due process. It takes months just to do the transcript on a DP case, lol. Remove the constitutional authority of the Governor to grant pardons and clemency? Lol, not without giant political fights and amending constitutions.

I thought INGO was a big fan of the Constitution? Perhaps not.

Where is that New Orleans stat coming from?

For 2022 Texas executed 5 individuals and only 2 in the entire state were sentenced to death.

https://www.davisvanguard.org/2022/12/texas-2022-death-penalty-report-confirms-historic-low-level-of-executions/

Due process is as we define it. If the definition of a recession can be changed as easily as it has, changing the definition of due process should take no more than the time to flip old sparky on. Taking a page from the democrat play book and we don’t have to ignore or change the constitution. We change the definition of words to fit our time. Remember the best cheater wins and makes the new rules. The losers have to play by those new rules. We are at a crossroads. We either take the high road and continue to be the democrat’s wiping post as we walk into communism or we play their game better than they do and we take this country back and in the process we put criminals on notice that justice will be swift after conviction by a jury.

 

[DadSmith]

Them evil cops enforcing low level offenses, and the cops forced them poor down trodden people in a fancy Lincoln ($62,000 car) to shoot at the evil cops.

 

[Creedmoor]

A complete denial of due process. It takes months just to do the transcript on a DP case, lol. Remove the constitutional authority of the Governor to grant pardons and clemency? Lol, not without giant political fights and amending constitutions.

I thought INGO was a big fan of the Constitution? Perhaps not.

Where is that New Orleans stat coming from?

For 2022 Texas executed 5 individuals and only 2 in the entire state were sentenced to death.

https://www.davisvanguard.org/2022/12/texas-2022-death-penalty-report-confirms-historic-low-level-of-executions/

You new here?

 

[DadSmith]

I thought INGO was a big fan of the Constitution? Perhaps not.

So Shadow speaks for all of the INGO members? Including yourself?

 

[Jaybird1980]

Them evil cops enforcing low level offenses, and the cops forced them poor down trodden people in a fancy Lincoln ($62,000 car) to shoot at the evil cops.

"I mean technically there was no sign telling me I can't bust a U turn at a red light".

Technically he's right, the red light is not a sign.

 

[Cameramonkey]

How's that working out?

You don't seem to be serious about having a discussion, you seem to just want to bluster and blow. If you decided to try to educate yourself and grow, let me know, I'd love to have a productive discussion.

Well, as stated upthread regarding driving around with weed in the hoopty vs new car:

If the poor hoopty driver wasnt speeding or toting around weed, he wouldnt get arrested for weed after being pulled over for a busted taillight while driving 90. So yeah, problem solved.

 

[maxipum]

Already the law in Indiana (both are aggs for death penalty).

How is that working out?

Obviously not used enough!