Cameras ARE the New Guns, NYC edition

[Kirk Freeman]

Remember how police don't mind being videotaped?

Apparently that is not an universal attitude.

Video: Cop Promises Cameraman He'll Be Raped in Jail - Gothamist

 

[jsgolfman]

You're ugly, lol. Good find, Kirk.

 

[level.eleven]

Just imagine if the camera person was a woman. Yikes.

This brings the the Hope Steffy case to mind....

YouTube - Hope Steffy Forcibly Stripped Nude and Left for hours

 

[223 Gunner]

WOW....I always thought cops were "legal" thugs, I guess this kind of proves that huh?

 

[Donnelly]

Boy, these incidents just seem to pop up more and more these days, don't they? Kind of makes one wonder how often this crap happens and it doesn't get videotaped.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

always thought cops were "legal" thugs, I guess this kind of proves that huh?

I wouldn't go that far.

However, it does show that: 1. what is in police reports is not what happened, 2. that police have reason to fear cameras.

Wouldn't you like to have a camera at Officer Bisard's OWI investigation?

 

[dross]

The more this stuff comes out, the more I think every citizen contact with police should be recorded.

I think eventually it will be illegal everywhere to record the police, though.

 

[ATM]

Remember how police don't mind being videotaped?

Apparently that is not an universal attitude.
http://gothamist.com/2010/08/18/video_cop_promises_camerman_hell_be.php

Drunk guys impersonating cops don't care for it either.

http://gothamist.com/2010/08/20/nypd_thats_a_drunk_guy_not_a_cop_in.php

 

[cosermann]

I'l admit that I haven't been following this issue too closely. So let me ask a question or two of those of you who have.

1. Is this ocurring any any states that aren't 2-party states when it comes to wiretap law?
2. My impression is that this is an extension of those states' wiretap laws, i.e. you can't record audio unless both parties consent. Is that correct?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Drunk guys impersonating cops don't care for it either

Methinks there will be more on this when the cover story falls apart.

1. Is this ocurring any any states that aren't 2-party states when it comes to wiretap law?
2. My impression is that this is an extension of those states' wiretap laws, i.e. you can't record audio unless both parties consent. Is that correct?

1. Yes, in New York it is perfectly fine to record the police, but Officer Jerry Garcia took objection to it.

2. Could be wiretap, could be something else. Depends on how that state's wiretap or invasion of privacy statute is written.

 

[cosermann]

I wondered. If they're coming from the wiretap angle, the answer could be as simple as disabling/disconnecting the camera's microphone.

Wiretap doesn't apply to video, iirc, only audio. If it did, lots of CCTV cameras would be breaking the law daily. I'm pretty sure it only applies to audio.

Could it be that simple?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Coser, I think you are thinking about the wrong problem.

In New York it is perfectly legal to record the officer as was done, sound or no sound. The officer still objected and acted the way he did.

Wiretap doesn't apply to video, iirc, only audio. If it did, lots of CCTV cameras would be breaking the law daily. I'm pretty sure it only applies to audio.

Wiretapping may apply to video, depending on how the state's statute is written.

Just like anytime you have a question about your lease, or warranty, or a state's wiretapping statute, read the statute first.

 

[pudly]

Kirk is right. Don't accept their definitions. Challenge them to prove that filming an act done in public is wiretapping. It has nothing to do with the very definition of wiretapping. Also, it is done in public where they have no expectation of privacy.

Don't accept a lie as the starting point of your argument or you will have lost before you started. Challenge them to prove the lie before you go anywhere.

 

[beararms1776]

Remember how police don't mind being videotaped?

Apparently that is not an universal attitude.

Video: Cop Promises Cameraman He'll Be Raped in Jail - Gothamist

How about a camera that attaches to a pic rail. Then they can have both.

 

[Movealongmovealong]

So much for "PUBLIC"