Climate Change Update........

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Teflon is a brand name. It contained PFAS but now they just want to distance themselves from it. But regardless, people have to invent phrases like “forever chemicals”.

Yeah, I guess that makes them sound scarier than certain other chemicals that last forever (fortunately) that we require just to live…like oxygen and water.

 

[jamil]

Yeah, I guess that makes them sound scarier than certain other chemicals that last forever (fortunately) that we require just to live…like oxygen and water.

We managed to be properly afraid of DDT once they figured out how bad it is. We didn’t need to invent stupid nicknames to make it sound scary.

 

[KLB]

We managed to be properly afraid of DDT once they figured out how bad it is. We didn’t need to invent stupid nicknames to make it sound scary.

Would people have been without the .gov banning it?

 

[jamil]

Would people have been without the .gov banning it?

Some, no. Some be like, I’ve been spraying that stuff for 20 years and never had a—cough, cough, [uncontrollable hacking and coughing]—‘scuse me, I’ve been having this terrible cough lately. No idea why. Oh shucks. Let me wipe this here blood off my mouth. There. Now what was I sayin’? Oh yeah, that DDT stuff works real good. It ain’t never hurt me.

A coworker of mine used to like to say, “Reality gets rid of the dumb ones first.” I don’t think using stupid phrases like “forever chemicals” changes reality much. You also don’t have to use scary words to ban stuff. Stuff gets banned for lots of reasons, including when studies show something causes more harm than benefit.

 

[Tryin']

Would people have been without the .gov banning it?

Some were, obviously; they were the ones sounding the alarm. But at a wide scale? I doubt it. Everything in that age was a miracle. Plastics, pesticides, semiconductors, vaccines, everything. It was a generation that went from outhouses and horse drawn plows to the moon. There was no problem that couldn't be solved by chemistry and technology. The producers and propagators of those products were held in the highest public trust because they were literally changing civilization.

Look how many believe the narratives of today and then consider how much more so it would be if the Vax, WITH all of its side effects really did prevent 90% of recipients from contracting the rona. Or if your local cop was really just the same as the cherry-picked national whipping boy. Or if there was evidence of an evolutionary leap towards androgeny. Or If the Isrealies really were oppressing their western neighbors and provoking them by carpet bombing their civian populations. All of these things are a lie, yet have enormous acceptance. And we know better because of the years of follow-on learning from things like DDT.

 

[Leadeye]

Teflon is a brand name. It contained PFAS but now they just want to distance themselves from it. But regardless, people have to invent phrases like “forever chemicals”.

Part of the problem is the lack of understanding between something you use and what it's made of. Huge number of examples in chemistry, Teflon, PVC, even table salt. You can't compare the end product to what makes it in in any way, shape or form.

Sodium is a highly reactive metal and chlorine a very toxic gas, combined, you put it on your french fries.

Stoking hysteria about chemicals has been profitable to big media almost as much as the people making the replacements. There's no replacement for much of this stuff though, so manufacture will all move to china and Americans will pay big to get it.

 

[Leadeye]

• In 2022, Indiana was the nation’s third-largest coal consumer, after Texas and Missouri. Coal fueled 52% of Indiana's electricity net generation that year, the sixth-highest share of any state.

With the new rules, we will be one of the worst effected states.

U.S. Energy Information Administration - EIA - Independent Statistics and Analysis

www.eia.gov

Any electricity intensive industry will depart with the electricity so goodby to those jobs.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Some, no. Some be like, I’ve been spraying that stuff for 20 years and never had a—cough, cough, [uncontrollable hacking and coughing]—‘scuse me, I’ve been having this terrible cough lately. No idea why. Oh shucks. Let me wipe this here blood off my mouth. There. Now what was I sayin’? Oh yeah, that DDT stuff works real good. It ain’t never hurt me.

A coworker of mine used to like to say, “Reality gets rid of the dumb ones first.” I don’t think using stupid phrases like “forever chemicals” changes reality much. You also don’t have to use scary words to ban stuff. Stuff gets banned for lots of reasons, including when studies show something causes more harm than benefit.

Dad used to say that DDT probably saved more lives than penicillin, and he probably wasn't far off when you consider that it helped to eradicate mosquitos that carried malaria.

 

[Leadeye]

DDT was an early big hammer, but like some things it was widely used before being understood. That family of chemicals probably should have been limited to termite barriers.

I keep a good supply of Permethrin around as it is now all made overseas, much like BAC-50 which is found in almost every cleaner sold in the US. People look at the big things like cars and don't realize how much of the chemical industry is already gone from the US and how much those products are used everyday.

 

[bgcatty]

Climate change is the greatest scam of all time which the libtard Democraps use as the basis for a plethora of schemes and machinations to undermine the true American way of life and replace it with socialism; a historically proven dead end.
Sorry for the rant, my !

 

[Ingomike]

Dad used to say that DDT probably saved more lives than penicillin, and he probably wasn't far off when you consider that it helped to eradicate mosquitos that carried malaria.

I have read that millions around the world have died due to the elimination of DDT.

 

[smokingman]

I mean, why not just say teflon.

Bearing grease will now be crap(if available in the USA at all)...just to start.

They even reclassified materials to call them PAFS in an effort to regulate the only slightly useful substance.

https://www.nlgi.org/grease-world-e...23-articles/pfas-may-be-regulated-in-greases/

 

[printcraft]

 

[BugI02]

Teflon is a brand name. It contained PFAS but now they just want to distance themselves from it. But regardless, people have to invent phrases like “forever chemicals”.

Dude, it would take something close to volcanic activity to break them down.
Fluorine has the highest electronegativity of any element by far. 'Forever' might be an exaggeration from a strictly literal standpoint, but VERY few natural processes or indeed deliberate chemical reactions will break them down, many are soluble in water and exposure is cumulative

About the only thing left to argue about is just how poisonous they are and I don't recommend you take the manufacturers word for that

 

[Leadeye]

I really don't see it going away, way to much tech is built on fluorine related products. It will simply shift to places like india and china with everything else.

 

[Mgderf]

I was just thinking king the same thing.
Couldn't remember the circumstances, but this thread reminded me of this kids project.

 

[jamil]

Dude, it would take something close to volcanic activity to break them down.
Fluorine has the highest electronegativity of any element by far. 'Forever' might be an exaggeration from a strictly literal standpoint, but VERY few natural processes or indeed deliberate chemical reactions will break them down, many are soluble in water and exposure is cumulative

About the only thing left to argue about is just how poisonous they are and I don't recommend you take the manufacturers word for that

Dude. I have no arguments against it's badness. When people say "forever chemicals" they're talking about PFAS and similar stuff. I'm saying that we don't need silly phrases to understand the magnitude if its impact. Just call it PFAS. Say what it is and what it does. And in polite company, you can even casually call it Teflon if you'd like. But if you say that publicly don't be surprised if you get sued. They seem to be touchy about that.

 

[BugI02]

I really don't see it going away, way to much tech is built on fluorine related products. It will simply shift to places like india and china with everything else.

I think it is poor product/chemical selection to use it for stupid stuff like grease-resistant French fry containers, though

Like when they used to put acetone in nail polish remover, just because it works doesn't mean it is the safest option, only the cheapest