Good shootin or lucky shot?

[Rookie]

Police woman stops robbery by shooting the gun out of the robbers hand AND locks the door with another shot. I'm going with lucky.

Shootout at Bedford-Stuyvesant salon: Off-duty cop shot gun out of crook's hand to thwart robbery

BTW I love how his mom can't believe her son (who has been arrested five times) could do something like that...

 

[Mr.JAG]

Definitely luck...

I can imagine someone shooting at a hand to disarm someone... but to try to LOCK a door?

Still, its a cool story.

 

[EnochRoot43]

And whats up with the kid firing the .44mag 4 times from 4 YARDS AWAY and connecting with nothing? And then her shooting from the same distance...I really hope she was intentionally aiming for the kid's revolver and knew she could hit it. Hate to play armchair QB, but with the other lives she entrusted to herself, maybe shooting COM would have been more prudent.

Again, it is a cool story.

 

[Shay]

You see a lot of hand and arm hits when doing Force on Force training. The first reason is that students often focus on the other guy's gun and that then becomes the target. "Weapon fixation" is the term that is typically used. The second reason is that the hands (and gun) are often simply in the way of higher value targets high in the chest. They get hit first because they are in the way.

The "hit the lock" shot was nothing more than a miss that luckily didn't exit the store.

 

[Bushido Devil Dog]

And whats up with the kid firing the .44mag 4 times from 4 YARDS AWAY and connecting with nothing?

I suspect that it be havin' sumptin' to do with the fact he is a dumb(!), 18 year old kid that had gotten used to the CCW-less sheeple of New Yaawk cowering whenever he pulled out da' gat. When he met someone with the proper equipment and mindset to resist, he found out he wasn't as much of a badass as he thought he was.
Also, I somehow suspect that an NRA membership and being taught the safe, responsible use of firearms were never a part of his childhood environment.

And then her shooting from the same distance...I really hope she was intentionally aiming for the kid's revolver and knew she could hit it. Hate to play armchair QB, but with the other lives she entrusted to herself, maybe shooting COM would have been more prudent.

Under the stress of a deadly force encounter, the entire body natural orients its entire focus on the greatest threat to its physical safety, in this case, the firearm in the hands of the punk kid. She may have been intentionally aiming at COM, but at toe-to-toe distance the body's natural stress reaction will override whatever training the defender has undergone, and the defender will point their firearm right back at the one that is shooting at them. This results in hits to the hands and arms holding the weapon being a rather common occurance in close quarters gunfights. I think the first shot to the turd's finger was a result of this, the second was pure luck from a shot that should have hit criminal flesh, instead of a door lock.

 

[Mike_Indy]

Definitely dumb luck. But also luck in 20 years in Brooklyn to have never had to use her weapon. Was she a desk jockey?

 

[CountryBoy19]

Definitely dumb luck. But also luck in 20 years in Brooklyn to have never had to use her weapon. Was she a desk jockey?

It said that she worked in the evidence locker for "the past dozen years". I would say that would be a pretty safe job.

 

[42769vette]

defintally luck. if you put that on top shots most if not all would fail.

 

[ProLibertate]

She was issued a 5 shot revolver?!?


Definitely luck... Who shoots at a door lock to lock it?

Makes for a great "yeah, I meant to do that" story though!

 

[Ryno]

I would have to agree with 427. Never been in that situation, can't say I'd do better. I do try to train c.o.m. and head. Pray if ever need be, it would turn out that way.

 

[indyjoe]

This just shows the first rule of shooting with others:

If you hit that crazy impossible shot, holster your weapon and act like you meant to. Otherwise, there will be no doubt that it was dumb luck.

I know I did that when I dropped a opossum at night from around 70 yards with one shot from my Glock 22.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

My first guess was that, if they were both using a two-handed grip, firing at COM might result in hitting in the vicinity of the chest or anything in front of it. No doubt the shot into the doorknob was a fluke.

Does anyone have any data on whether or not first-person shooter video games have any influence on either the ability to pull the trigger on a threat or the efficacy of the shooter?

 

[g00n24]

My first guess was that, if they were both using a two-handed grip, firing at COM might result in hitting in the vicinity of the chest or anything in front of it. No doubt the shot into the doorknob was a fluke.

Does anyone have any data on whether or not first-person shooter video games have any influence on either the ability to pull the trigger on a threat or the efficacy of the shooter?

ahhh yea, I've dropped a ton of mo-fo's with an ACR and an ACOG, but Im not against stabbing a biatch when it gets hands on...learned it all on MW2

 

[Shay]

Does anyone have any data on whether or not first-person shooter video games have any influence on either the ability to pull the trigger on a threat or the efficacy of the shooter?

Check out Dave Grossman's books On Combat and On Killing. They have some research on that topic.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Check out Dave Grossman's books On Combat and On Killing. They have some research on that topic.

Thanks.

 

[CountryBoy19]

She was issued a 5 shot revolver?!?


Definitely luck... Who shoots at a door lock to lock it?

Makes for a great "yeah, I meant to do that" story though!

Seeing as how many departments issue 5-shot revolvers as BUGs (or most officers carry their personal one) it's really not that uncommon of a gun for an officer to have.

Also, consider that she works in the evidence locker/room and that she was off-duty, the chance she would be carrying a BUG rather than her full-size duty-weapon increases drastically.

 

[Hornett]

There was a study that I read where they would pop up targets, friendly and bad guy. The shooter did not know what the target was going to be. The shooter had to decide whether friend or foe and then if it was foe, shoot the target. Even with different shooters, many of the shots were grouping around the gun on the bad guy target.
It seems that the shooter was looking at the gun to ID the target and when they started firing they were still focused on the gun. A kind of tunnel vision. Where you look is where you shoot.

I think she was trying to 'stop the threat' and just focused on the gun.

The door lock was just luck IMHO.

 

[Disposable Heart]

You see a lot of hand and arm hits when doing Force on Force training. The first reason is that students often focus on the other guy's gun and that then becomes the target. "Weapon fixation" is the term that is typically used. The second reason is that the hands (and gun) are often simply in the way of higher value targets high in the chest. They get hit first because they are in the way.

The "hit the lock" shot was nothing more than a miss that luckily didn't exit the store.

EXTREMELY interesting! I could see that occuring, not only the psychological aspect, but the raw physical aspect of the round being blocked by the gun (being in front of the body) as well.

Aim for center and keep shooting through their "barrier" until they fall?

 

[Pale Rider]

Check out Dave Grossman's books On Combat and On Killing. They have some research on that topic.

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Reading "On Killing" at the moment, has some surprising info and research in it. Definitely a good read.

 

[DesertDoc]

Sounds like she was carrying a Dept. issued B.U.G. since she was off duty. Also sounds like she does not work the street anymore since it said that she was an evidence tech. Over all I woud say she did a good job taking control of the situation although you would like to see her hit with more than 1 round. The locking the door thing is just pure dumb luck.