Ineresting Reading....Who makes the guns

[strut70]

INTERESTING READING

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/b...=2&pagewanted=1&ref=cerberuscapitalmanagement

 

[GunSlinger]

Very interesting read. I had never heard of the Freedom Group, and my only concern would be if the quality began to suffer by the Freedom Group wanting to lower costs by reducing materials quality.

 

[top hat 45]

i dont know about anyone else, but it's almost scary to me for one company to have that much control over that big a percent of firearms manufacturing. i read the nra statement that george soros is not involved, but big money talks sometimes.

with the current administration in the white house and this going on now, it makes me wonder.

 

[45fan]

The only thing that I see we can do as consumers is to support these smaller companies that are not tied to the larger conglomerate. Not saying dont buy Remington, but if the opportunity arises, and the difference comes down to a few dollars, supporting the little guy when we can will go miles in preventing a complete industry takeover.

 

[smythe012]

The only thing that I see we can do as consumers is to support these smaller companies that are not tied to the larger conglomerate. Not saying dont buy Remington, but if the opportunity arises, and the difference comes down to a few dollars, supporting the little guy when we can will go miles in preventing a complete industry takeover.

+1

The same can be applied to buying American. Although I don't know what firearms are made in the US anymore.

 

[xM3RC1L3SS1x]

That was definitely interesting. Thanks for the information.

 

[shooter521]

my only concern would be if the quality began to suffer by the Freedom Group wanting to lower costs by reducing materials quality.

It has already begun to happen. Remington, Marlin, NEF; seen it with my own eyes.

 

[gunrunner0]

It has already begun to happen. Remington, Marlin, NEF; seen it with my own eyes.

+1. From what I've seen and heard quality definately decreased soon after these companies were bought up by Freedom Group.

My personal experience is particularly with the Remington 870. Remington in recent years has switched to a cheaper finish, laminate stocks, and plastic trigger gaurds.

 

[strahd71]

because this company is getting so big will it have more power to help get better legislation passed?

jake

 

[top hat 45]

because this company is getting so big will it have more power to help get better legislation passed?

jake

lets hope so in a positive way.

 

[shooter521]

My personal experience is particularly with the Remington 870. Remington in recent years has switched to a cheaper finish, laminate stocks, and plastic trigger gaurds.

That's not really any different than the cost-cutting measures Ruger has implemented with the 10/22 family in recent years. I'm talking about serious problems with basic functionality and quality control - guns coming in with front sights installed off center or not installed at all, feeding problems and binding actions right out of the box, poor stock & forearm fit, you name it. FWIW, the Remington-branded guns seem to have fewer such problems than the Marlins and NEFs, from what I've seen.

My personal fear is that now that Bushmaster's Maine plant has closed and production has been moved to Remington's Ilion NY facility, their quality will start to slip, as well. Consequently, we have pretty much stopped stocking Bushmaster rifles at the shop.

 

[Jeremiah]

Windham Weaponry Online -

^ used to be bushmaster.

Bushmaster was a good gun in the early '90's when they were much cheaper than a colt.

Now OLY and DPMS are cheaper, and many other companies are better in almost any comparison

 

[Icarry2]

Interesting...

 

[Shoots4Fun]

Good read, thanks OP.

Any word on the quality and reliability of the Windham Weaponry products? I know the old Bushmaster stuff had a great name (part of the ABC's of ARs and all that...). Just wondering since I hadn't heard of them.

 

[Icarry2]

I received an email the other day from DPMS regarding a problem with a brand new AR I bought. They wanted it sent back, I did and they have irritated me to no end, today they said my rifle is "back there some where" and "not sure when it will get sent out, we don't ship every day"

Guess I should have bought an AR from someone else.....

Anyway thats a different situation..

At the bottom of the email it states:

Freedom Group Family of Companies

Remington, Bushmaster Firearms, DPMS / Panther Arms, Marlin, H&R, NEF, Dakota Arms, Parker Gun, L.C. Smith, EOTAC, Advanced Armament Corp., Barnes Bullets, INTC

 

[shooter521]

Good read, thanks OP.

Any word on the quality and reliability of the Windham Weaponry products? I know the old Bushmaster stuff had a great name (part of the ABC's of ARs and all that...). Just wondering since I hadn't heard of them.

We've got a couple of the Windham guns in the shop, and they appear to be on par with or even a bit better than the old BM guns. The finish is nicer, and on the "optics ready" carbine they are using a receiver-height railed gas block with a bayonet lug, instead of a shaved-down A2 FSB that you couldn't put a front sight on.

 

[Libertarian01]

To All,

First, great read!

It is scary how stuff like this can go on and have a group grow so big in influence without the public being aware.

Second, stunned someone hasn't posted this tidbit of information: Executive Officers, Cerberus Group - Chairman, Global Investments = J. Danforth Quayle!

Third: Freedom group will never push legislation that is for anything other than positive revenues for Freedom Group! Any positives will only be collateral for us. I think negatives will outweigh the positives in the long run.

Again, very interesting.

Regards,

Doug

 

[thompal]

Second, stunned someone hasn't posted this tidbit of information: Executive Officers, Cerberus Group - Chairman, Global Investments = J. Danforth Quayle!

Great. So the conglomerate that owns a good percentage of American firearms companies happens to be someone who is an "acquaintance" of Brett Kimberlan and Niles Stanton.

Wonderful.