QUESTION ON GUN PERMIT REQUIRMENTS

[tobi]

I recently applied for a CCW permit in Indiana. While at the police station I was told that if I just wanted to go to the range and shoot, I did not need a permit if I kept the gun & ammunition separate (trunk & front of car). I called the state police and they told me the same thing. What is the purpose of the target/hunting permit? I am continuing with my application but my son also likes to target shoot. Does he need a permit to transport a pistol (separate from ammo) to the range?

 

[Scutter01]

They're lying to you (or horribly misinformed). You must have a license to transport to the range to shoot. Please see the INGO FAQ for detailed information.

 

[ATM]

They both told you wrong. That is illegal per Indiana code.

Please tell us which department this came from.

 

[rockhopper46038]

Wow. You were given bad advice. Which is disheartening, since it came from two police agencies. In Indiana, in order to transport your handgun to the range to shoot, you need a license. It's a bad law, but still the law.
I would recommend you continue your efforts and get the lifetime LTCH. It covers everything the other available licenses do, and is well worth the nominal additional fee.

 

[possum_128]

First off it's not a ccw, it's a license to carry a handgun (LTCH). Which means you can carry it as you wish.

Second, they are wrong! You must have a license to take to the range. It's crazy but even the police don't know the laws.

You must have a license to transport your handgun anywhere except from the place you bought it from to your home or when transporting to your place of business and when transporting to a new home.

 

[goinggreyfast]

Wow. You were given bad advice. Which is disheartening, since it came from two police agencies. In Indiana, in order to transport your handgun to the range to shoot, you need a license. It's a bad law, but still the law.
I would recommend you continue your efforts and get the lifetime LTCH. It covers everything the other available licenses do, and is well worth the nominal additional fee.

Yeah, that'll preach. +1

 

[rjstew317]

is this covered in the new bill?

 

[Mr. Habib]

is this covered in the new bill?

Yes, that bill will clear this up, but constitutional carry would be even better.

 

[rjstew317]

Yes, that bill will clear this up, but constitutional carry would be even better.

100% agree. yet another thing Arizona seems to have right.

 

[tobi]

What is in the new bill? What is it's status?

 

[Hammerhead]

There are several new Indiana Senate bills that cover firearms. The one they're referring to is looking to change the carry rules to allow for carry in one's car back and forth to the range without a LTCH or target license. Another is hoping to keep licensed carriers from becoming instant felons if they leave their firearms in the car on school property, kind of like the parking lot law.

Senate Bill 506 passed the first session.

Senate Bill 0319 is in committee.

 

[INGunGuy]

I recently applied for a CCW permit in Indiana. While at the police station I was told that if I just wanted to go to the range and shoot, I did not need a permit if I kept the gun & ammunition separate (trunk & front of car). I called the state police and they told me the same thing. What is the purpose of the target/hunting permit? I am continuing with my application but my son also likes to target shoot. Does he need a permit to transport a pistol (separate from ammo) to the range?

OK, normally I would think this kind of a post was suspect, but since we are all attempting to educate the uneducated and I am doing nothing but waiting on the laundry to finish, I am going to attempt to educate you.

First thing, welcome to INGO, and read the FAQ's for information.

Well first off, there in nothing in Indiana called a Gun Permit, CCW, gun registration, permit to carry or anything else of any other name than the License To Carry a Handgun, which will be called the LTCH from now on. You MUST, I MEAN MUST, I DONT CARE IF THE GOVERNOR OF THE STATE SAYS YOU CAN, YOU MUST HAVE YOUR LTCH! To carry a handgun ANYWHERE but your home, fixed place of business or from home to repair and back, or business to repair and back, or when you PERMANENTLY move from a new home or business to another. That is it in a nutshell, it doesnt matter if you have a good friend who is a cop, he is NOT the place to get the information. IMHO, and this is NOT cop bashing, but a LEO is the last person I would ask for legal information.

Here is the link to the Indiana Code that defines the law.

Indiana Code TITLE 35, Article 47 Table of Contents

I recommend you MEMORIZE 35-47 as it is THE LAW. Yes there is case law, and I recommend you search for it on INGO and become familiar with some.

I would like to add, that one place that is off limits are schools and daycares. Colleges are NOT defined in IC as a school, so carry on a college campus may be against their rules, it is NOT unlawful. You are NOT REQUIRED to notify LEO if you are carrying during a traffic stop. There are numerous threads dealing with exact thing that are going on right now. You do NOT have to conceal, Indiana law is silent on the issue. A LTCH is just that a License to Carry a Handgun, nothing about being concealed, or open.

Anyway, that is enough to get you started, good luck, again welcome to INGO and have a nice day!

INGunGuy

 

[Rookie]

Encourage your son to get his permit. $125 for the lifetime permit is a lot cheaper than attorney fees. I am buying all my children their lifetime permits as they come of age. The reason is simple. Let's say they hop in my vehicle to run to the store and they get pulled over. For whatever reason the cop finds a gun in the car. The story can end two ways, I have a permit or, I didn't know there was a gun (which won't protect from criminal charges).

 

[ATM]

Please tell us which department this came from.

good question, ATM.



Give us names so we can call them and correct this for others.

 

[GuyRelford]

Welcome to INGO!!

I agree with the posts above, and there are actually several places that you cannot carry a handgun under Indiana or local laws - in addition to schools - even with a LTCH. The principal problem is that individual municipalities can restrict the presence of firearms on their property or within their buildings, so you have to figure those restrictions out on a case-by-case basis. For example, it may be illegal (by local ordinance) to carry a firearm into the public library in one county - but completely legal in another county. There is a bill pending that would amend Indiana's "preemption" statute to provide some consistency to this situation, but for now it requires some attention by the Indiana gun owner.

In addition, firearms are legally prohibited in (at least) the following areas:

Maritime ports
Riverboat casinos
Indiana Government Center
State Fairgrounds (only during the annual State Fair)
Airports - beyond the security checkpoint (although some municipally-owned airports
restrict firearms anywhere on the property)
Courtrooms (under local municipal ordinances and/or standing court orders)
School property, school busses or any other property being used for a school function
Federal facilities
Penal facilities (you can be convicted of felony "trafficking with an inmate" simply
for carrying a deadly weapon into a penal facility)

Owners of private property (stores, restaurants, etc.) can also legally restrict the presence of firearms on their property. Generally, if you ignore "no firearms" signs at the entrances of buildings in Indiana, the owner's only remedy is to ask you to leave. However, if you refuse to leave, you are now committing "criminal trespass." In addition, if a sign at the entrance of private property truly "denies entry" to to the property for anyone carrying a firearm (something like "Anyone carrying a firearm may not enter these premises, and any such person is hereby expressly denied entry"), you may be guilty of criminal trespass simply by entering the premises with a firearm.

I just taught my Indiana Gun Law course yesterday - and we talked about each of these issues in detail.

Hope this helps a little!!

Guy

 

[GuyRelford]

I recently applied for a CCW permit in Indiana. While at the police station I was told that if I just wanted to go to the range and shoot, I did not need a permit if I kept the gun & ammunition separate (trunk & front of car). I called the state police and they told me the same thing.

This mistake is a common problem and the source of a lot of bad advice, unfortunately. I'm fairly sure that the confusion arises from the federal "Gun Owners Protection Act of 1986," which governs the means by which a person can legally transport a firearm from one location "where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm" to another location where he may lawfully possess and carry, notwithstanding the laws and regulations of jurisdictions that he may pass through during the trip. To be eligible for this protection, the gun owner must transport the firearm unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition can be "readily" or "directly" accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle. In vehicles without a separate compartment from the passenger compartment (e.g., trunk), the firearm or ammunition must be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

However, as stated, the GOPA requires that the gun owner "lawfully possess and carry" the firearm at both the point of origin and the destination; therefore, someone in Indiana with a handgun in a vehicle - without a LTCH - doesn't qualify for the protection, no matter how the firearm is transported.

 

[jd4320t]

Can you please tell us what department said this? They need to be educated.

 

[IndyBeerman]

From now till eternity here on INGO, I hereby state that I'm going to impose a 25 cent charge for everyone who calls a LTCH a CCW.

Thanks to Kirk for giving me this thought while he continues to rack up boxes of .45 ammo from Rhino.


https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...s_really_a_little_light_on_it.html#post349756

 

[tobi]

Sorry about the CCW - I recently moved here from MI where it was a CCW.

 

[GuyRelford]

Sorry about the CCW - I recently moved here from MI where it was a CCW.

Don't worry about! Personally, I think there should be a 2-month or 25 post amnesty period.

And again, welcome to INGO!! (And to Indiana.)

Guy