Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

[John Galt]

Sanitation workers selfishly slowed down the cleanup - NYPOST.com

Who is John Galt?

 

[Disposable Heart]

You are! Oh, wait, you meant philosophically...

 

[dross]

The city, you see, is there so they have a job. The people of the city only exist so they can be taxed, so as to provide jobs for city workers. If times are tough, and the citizens are suffering economically, then they should pay more of what they have left to ensure that the city workers get all the raises and benefits and everything they've come to expect. They should be made safe from the ravages of the economy everyone else suffers under, because after all, why should they care about any of the suffering inflicted upon those who exist only to provide them jobs?

"Then you will see the rise of the men of the double standard--the men who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the value of their looted money--the men who are the hitchhikers of virtue. In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes are written to protect you against them. But when a society establishes criminals-by-right and looters-by-law--men who use force to seize the wealth of disarmed victims--then money becomes its creators' avenger. .... Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion--when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing--when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors--when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you--when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice--you may know that your society is doomed." Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

 

[pudly]

Wow. The comments on that article are seriously vitriolic against these workers in particular and public unions in general. Apparently, a number of people died when emergency services couldn't get to them because of these sanitation workers actions.

 

[sparky241]

not only that they are dumb as can be

warning language


YouTube - NY's Dumbest; NYC sanitation workers destroy a Ford Expediton

 

[dross]

Wow. The comments on that article are seriously vitriolic against these workers in particular and public unions in general. Apparently, a number of people died when emergency services couldn't get to them because of these sanitation workers actions.

Think of the concept of public unions in the first place. The concept itself is disgusting.

 

[Disposable Heart]

Think of the concept of public unions in the first place. The concept itself is disgusting.

+1

The concept of the union? Or the horrifying concept that people are barganing to get a larger piece of our taxpayer's money to satisfy their ever increasing demands, holding taxpayer entitled (yes, entitlement, but in a positive fashion) benefits hostage during a certifiable emergency? Someone dies in New York because first responders cannot get there due to some potbellied middle manager who does no work, eats out every day, gets a pay cut to his/her already handsome salary?

Police, fire, city, emergency workers, etc... Should not be able to strike or have "bargaining" power. Don't like the job or opulent benefits already given? PLENTY of other careers to pursue. Cities and society in general already gives them benefits and salaries I would consider excess, but yet they still complain! I would literally kill someone for a pension system. Work x amount of years and you can retire at x% of yearly pay? Good God, that's amazing! But to not work or lethargy in general is disgusting beyond words.

 

[dross]

+1

The concept of the union? Or the horrifying concept that people are barganing to get a larger piece of our taxpayer's money to satisfy their ever increasing demands, holding taxpayer entitled (yes, entitlement, but in a positive fashion) benefits hostage during a certifiable emergency? Someone dies in New York because first responders cannot get there due to some potbellied middle manager who does no work, eats out every day, gets a pay cut to his/her already handsome salary?

Police, fire, city, emergency workers, etc... Should not be able to strike or have "bargaining" power. Don't like the job or opulent benefits already given? PLENTY of other careers to pursue. Cities and society in general already gives them benefits and salaries I would consider excess, but yet they still complain! I would literally kill someone for a pension system. Work x amount of years and you can retire at x% of yearly pay? Good God, that's amazing! But to not work or lethargy in general is disgusting beyond words.

The idea that the people who serve us should band together in an organization in opposition to us, and to use the political power of that organization to elect politicians who are more beholden to the people providing services to the citizens than they are to the citizens themselves. That's disgusting.

Also that it takes an act of God to fire one of the people providing services to us. We who produce the money that pays them live at the whim of our employers and supervisors and customers, yet they have created a system whereby they can't get fired for much of anything but gross cause. They get raises when the rest of us are getting laid off. They're retirement systems must be made whole by the taxpayer even during times when the average person's retirement account has been devastated by the economy.

And then, in an actual crisis, these scumbags choose the moment they're most needed to demonstrate whose really working for whom.

It ought to be just as easy to fire a public employee as a private. Public employees should be forbidden to join unions. They should have no recourse to sue over firings. They should live in a precarious employment world, because the public trust should be more important than anything, even fairness.

 

[hornadylnl]

The city, you see, is there so they have a job. The people of the city only exist so they can be taxed, so as to provide jobs for city workers. If times are tough, and the citizens are suffering economically, then they should pay more of what they have left to ensure that the city workers get all the raises and benefits and everything they've come to expect. They should be made safe from the ravages of the economy everyone else suffers under, because after all, why should they care about any of the suffering inflicted upon those who exist only to provide them jobs?

"Then you will see the rise of the men of the double standard--the men who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the value of their looted money--the men who are the hitchhikers of virtue. In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes are written to protect you against them. But when a society establishes criminals-by-right and looters-by-law--men who use force to seize the wealth of disarmed victims--then money becomes its creators' avenger. .... Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion--when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing--when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors--when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you--when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice--you may know that your society is doomed." Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

Yes, we are doomed. We can end the thread here.

 

[John Galt]

"Then you will see the rise of the men of the double standard--the men who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the value of their looted money--the men who are the hitchhikers of virtue. In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes are written to protect you against them. But when a society establishes criminals-by-right and looters-by-law--men who use force to seize the wealth of disarmed victims--then money becomes its creators' avenger. .... Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion--when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing--when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors--when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but protect them against you--when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice--you may know that your society is doomed." Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

For those that haven't read Atlas Shrugged yet, do yourself a favor and read it. Although fiction, Rand's nailing of the path society/government takes is freaky!

 

[hornadylnl]

Once you get done with Atlas Shrugged, read anything by Ludwig Von Mises. He goes into great detail on how humans act. His most famous work would be Human Action.

 

[John Galt]

Once you get done with Atlas Shrugged, read anything by Ludwig Von Mises. He goes into great detail on how humans act. His most famous work would be Human Action.

Ludwig von Mises Institute - Homepage

I took a Hostel (week long seminar) at Hillsdale College two years ago and it was about the free markets and the Constitution. In their library, they have VonMises personal collection of books. We got a huge discount on books for attending the class (bigger discount with cash) and I bought the whole Champions of Freedom collection - SCORE Anyway, if you like this, be sure to check out The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich von Hayek and Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt. Both of these and many more classics are available at the Store on the Mises website. You'll get even more fired up after reading these books because they explain/predict/explain the current course of events - Enjoy!

 

[Rebecca Sink-Burris]

Wonderful reading list suggestions. After reading Atlas several times, I listened to it on CD and enjoyed it that way also. To my surprise, the character of John Galt came alive for me much more in the aural version than he ever had on the page. I had purchased the CD version in order to listen to it on car trips as a way to introduce the book to our children who were old enough to listen but who probably would not have been willing to read it yet. Like handing libertarian science fiction to our son a few years earlier, this worked well. Gotta catch them early!

 

[hornadylnl]

Ludwig von Mises Institute - Homepage

I took a Hostel (week long seminar) at Hillsdale College two years ago and it was about the free markets and the Constitution. In their library, they have VonMises personal collection of books. We got a huge discount on books for attending the class (bigger discount with cash) and I bought the whole Champions of Freedom collection - SCORE Anyway, if you like this, be sure to check out The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich von Hayek and Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt. Both of these and many more classics are available at the Store on the Mises website. You'll get even more fired up after reading these books because they explain/predict/explain the current course of events - Enjoy!

Unfortunately, I hate reading but I do need to get some of these books to read. I was listening to Rusty Humphreys on the radio last night. He had a guy on who wrote a book called "10 books every conservative must read plus 4 not to miss and 1 impostor". He called Atlas Shrugged the impostor. Basically he was calling Ayn Rand a conservative impostor because she was an aethiest but I'm not aware that she ever championed herself as a "conservative".

 

[Pocketman]

Public servants and collective bargaining. Ever wonder why you see ladder trucks responding to single story frame structures? An engine company responding on virtually every ambulance run? We won't even start with the police. 2011 is suppose to be a lean year for local governments. Will be interesting to see what's effected and what isn't. Time for some real leadership.

 

[BillyT]

Isnt this just an example of tyranny of big Govt?

citizens are practically robbed of theyre money and then to be treated like that?

i think its good those nyers are learning first hand just how much they are cared for by big govt