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    Another Down side to Red Flag Laws

    Another thought on red flag laws is this.

    Lets say someone hates you, and wants to kill you or your family members. You have guns so no can do. You need to be disarmed. So said scumbag calls in and red flags you, and has your firearms confiscated. You are now defenseless. Creep does his thing.

    This law can be abused by criminals as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DadSmith View Post
    Another thought on red flag laws is this.

    Lets say someone hates you, and wants to kill you or your family members. You have guns so no can do. You need to be disarmed. So said scumbag calls in and red flags you, and has your firearms confiscated. You are now defenseless. Creep does his thing.

    This law can be abused by criminals as well.
    You do know that there has to be probable cause, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DadSmith View Post
    Another thought on red flag laws is this.

    Lets say someone hates you, and wants to kill you or your family members. You have guns so no can do. You need to be disarmed. So said scumbag calls in and red flags you, and has your firearms confiscated. You are now defenseless. Creep does his thing.

    This law can be abused by criminals as well.
    Fortunately we live in the Great State of Indiana and not in Maryland. (PSA: if you live in Maryland, MOVE!!) "Presents a danger to themselves or other"; "is suicidal", "affidavit within 48 hours" here in Indiana is a ways from "show up with a SWAT Team at 0500 after one phone call" like we saw in Maryland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hpclayto View Post
    You do know that there has to be probable cause, right?
    Hahahahaha.

    No judge will ever reject a red flag order, no matter how flimsy. Any judge would rather order a thousand frivolous confiscations than refuse one and have that person turn out to be a mass shooter. There are zero political consequences to over-confiscating guns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ark View Post
    Hahahahaha.

    No judge will ever reject a red flag order, no matter how flimsy. Any judge would rather order a thousand frivolous confiscations than refuse one and have that person turn out to be a mass shooter. There are zero political consequences to over-confiscating guns.
    And this is based on opinion or legal knowledge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JettaKnight View Post
    And this is based on opinion or legal knowledge?
    Go ahead, I'll wait for you to find data showing ANY red flag orders have been denied in Maryland, Colorado, or other states that have rushed them into law.

    It's a simple question of incentive. Judges have every incentive to approve red flag orders. What incentive do they have to ever deny a single order? "We're just staying on the safe side".

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    Any Red Flag law must require specific and harsh penalties for wrongful accusations!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by migunner View Post
    Any Red Flag law must require specific and harsh penalties for wrongful accusations!!!!!
    While that is a very good idea, actual practice of such and penalties given could be quite problematic. On top of the fact that there is a whole segment of society that believe they are exempt from the courts giving them penalties.

    How many cases do we regularly see where, ANTIFA for example, rarely are prosecuted?

    That doesn't even begin to touch on the Obama appointed judges, who were picked because they never did believe in the 2A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ark View Post
    Hahahahaha.

    No judge will ever reject a red flag order, no matter how flimsy. Any judge would rather order a thousand frivolous confiscations than refuse one and have that person turn out to be a mass shooter. There are zero political consequences to over-confiscating guns.
    Yet they have absolutely NO qualms about releasing violent criminals back out onto the street to continue to commit their crimes after serving only a fraction of their sentence (if they serve any time at all). It has always been my contention that every judge and parole board member should be held personally accountable for the actions of the person they allow to be released earlier. He gets out and kills someone, then they are charged as accessories to murder. Bet there would be a lot more people serving their full terms.


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