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    GOP has no chance without libertarians

    Alienating the liberty-oriented crowd will not be a recipe for a Republican victory. As I see it, Republicans' ONLY chance of defeating Obama is to nominate Ron Paul. Putting up another socialist fraud, will fracture and scatter their own base.

    Does Johnson defection doom the GOP?

    Scenario 1 Ė Mitt Romney wins the GOP nomination
    The preordained outcome of the Republican primary is supposed to find Mitt Romney as the GOP Presidential nominee. Even if any other candidate out-votes the former Massachusetts Governor, there are enough mysterious Ďsuper delegatesí waiting to counter the votersí delegates and insure Mr. Romney is the nominee. If and when that happens, something will occur that hasnít happened in American politics in generations Ė A credible third-party candidate with a proven fundraising machine and a nationwide army of battle-hardened and experienced precinct workers will be on the ballot in November.
    Unlike past credible independent runs for the White House like Ross Perotís failed bid or John Andersonís before him, Gary Johnson will have something that all Presidential candidates this cycle wish they had Ė Ron Paulís campaign machine.
    Since the news media likes to black-out both menís campaigns, most election watchers arenít aware that Ron Paulís supporters and Gary Johnsonís supporters are one and the same. With Johnson running as a Libertarian in November instead of against Ron Paul and the rest of the GOP field in the primary, it creates a one-two punch for independents, libertarians and independent Republicans. If Ron Paulís campaign for the Republican nomination fails, his entire election apparatus will walk directly to the Gary Johnson campaign and the Libertarian party for a second chance. You can bet on it. For those who don't remember, Ron Paul ran for President on the Libertarian Party ticket in 1988. With one-third of the Republican base jumping to the Libertarian Partyís Gary Johnson, the Republican Mitt Romney doesnít stand a chance against President Obama in November.


    Scenario 2 Ė Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination
    This scenario, as explained by Whiteout Press today, creates an unimaginable realignment of the entire American political landscape. As anyone whoís been following the election coverage can attest, the establishment Wall Street wing of the GOP hates Ron Paul. A populist defender of average Americans and an advocate for the elimination of the Federal Reserve, a Ron Paul Presidency would jeopardize the cozy and profitable business relationship the Wall Street banks and multinational corporations have with our Federal government.
    If Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination for President, expect a grand and orchestrated exodus from the Republican Party broadcast on all networks during primetime, every day for a month. The media and Fortune 500 will attempt to punish the Republican voter base for daring to nominate a candidate that isnít approved of by the elite establishment. Where would the rich and powerful Republicans go? With a field full of populists and libertarians, their only choice would be to side with the man that has protected their interests for the previous four years Ė President Obama.
    With the Democratís Obama enjoying the Republicansí big money and corporate backing, the Republican nominee, Ron Paul, would also see an influx of new support. A Ron Paul nomination would bring in more new and young voters than the Obama campaign four years before. It would also bring in every independent and third party voter under the Republican Party banner, at least for this one, incredibly important, final battle. Think of it as an alliance between the populist Occupy Wall Street movement and the populist Tea Party movement. And it doesnít end there.
    There is no way that the Libertarian Gary Johnson would campaign against a Republican Ron Paul for the White House. More likely, knowing that a Republican-Libertarian coalition would be necessary to overcome the alliance of Republican and Democratic millionaires, some kind of arrangement might be negotiated where the two men campaign together as a President and Vice Presidential ticket. As crazy as that scenario sounds, the idea of a first-term, Chicago Machine-linked, black man becoming the next President was just as crazy at this exact stage of the Presidential election four years ago.
    The fact is, 42 percent of American voters identify themselves as independents. And as the Independent Voters Association repeatedly points out for us, out of 435 Congressmen in the US House of Representatives, there are ZERO independents. Between the unfair ballot access laws, the mediaís blatant bias against independents and third parties, a Congressional approval rating of 12 percent, and the treatment candidates like Ron Paul and Gary Johnson have been subjected to this election cycle - the political damn may be about to burst. And when it does, the tidal wave will flood directly into the Ron Paul and Gary Johnson campaigns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rambone View Post
    Alienating the liberty-oriented crowd will not be a recipe for a Republican victory. As I see it, Republicans' ONLY chance of defeating Obama is to nominate Ron Paul. Putting up another socialist fraud, will fracture and scatter their own base.
    Seems like they're predicating alot of this on the assumption that Independents won't go back to voting for another Republican to try and defeat Obama or any of the Democrats won't return to voting Democrat and they'll all just flock to the 3rd party candidate if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination.

    I don't think very highly of Gary Johnson's defection and I would feel the same way if Ron Paul decided to run 3rd party if he did'nt get the nomination.

    Johnson is doing it for spite because he felt he was being ignored so now he want's to be the one to play the spoiler role and teach the GOP a lesson if Ron Paul comes up short.

    It's just to bad the Democrat party does'nt go through this kind of process and the kicker is they seem to be the ones that profit the most from it without actually having to pay any price.
    Last edited by KG1; 12-29-2011 at 22:32.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KG1 View Post
    You mean not selling out as in Ron Paul not selling out the LP by running GOP? If he's such a principled Libertarian and his roots are with the LP then why did'nt he stick with them and keep running as their candidate?

    I'll tell you why it's because even he realized that for better or worse it's a two party system and he recognized that you have to be able to participate in that system. If he felt the GOP was no better than the Democrats then why does'nt he ever run as a Democrat? Seems to me like even he is participating in the lesser of two evils between the GOP and the Democrats by not running as a Libertarian.

    I'll address the above with this little known tidbit. The Libertarians have for many years advocated usurping one or more of the major parties. Consider this, many of us GenXers are not very happy with the war on drugs, never ending wars of aggression, the contiuous eroding of our remaining liberties in the name of ill advised wars, the never ending intitlements. Ron Paul is merely the vanguard.

    From what I understand of the LP party they started out under liberal principles.

    Classic liberalism ie, Jeffersonian-yes, Neo Liberalism ie statist-no

    Would'nt Ron Paul be considered to be more of an Libertarian leaning Republican? Is he not then compromising the liberal root's of the LP and because of that does he not alienate some of the bleeding heart libertarians?

    News flash!!!!! The majority of Libertarians lean more to Pauls line of thinking. He was nominated to run on their ticket in '88, and he hasn't changed his beliefs yet. Should tell you something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerberus View Post
    News flash!!!!! The majority of Libertarians lean more to Pauls line of thinking. He was nominated to run on their ticket in '88, and he hasn't changed his beliefs yet. Should tell you something.
    News FLASH!!!

    There's not enough Libertarians to vote a 3rd party president even with a fair amount people dropping party affiliation.

    Until people realize this, 3rd party candidates in a presidential election do nothing but hand the election to the dems. Something neither Republicans or Libertarians want.

    When are people going to wake up and have a V-8 moment.

    We're going to have to vote the best one we have to defeat Obama and work towards viable candidates, but this is something that will not happen overnight, people will need to be deprogrammed.

    Even the casual observer here should be able to see this, if not, they're blinded by they're own brilliance

    We can keep this up till the cows come home with this, while we need a fiscal president in office, it all falls to 535 people.

    Get the right 535 people in office, and even a liberal president can't veto the right changes because they can override it, otherwise we end up with crap like we have right now that Harry Reid is handing us from the Senate.

    I think I just had a Guinness moment, BRILLIANT!!
    Don't be that Richard, nobody likes a smart ass Richard, there's way more than we need here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyBeerman View Post
    News FLASH!!!

    There's not enough Libertarians to vote a 3rd party president even with a fair amount people dropping party affiliation.

    Until people realize this, 3rd party candidates in a presidential election do nothing but hand the election to the dems. Something neither Republicans or Libertarians want.
    Assuming of course that the majority of the 3rd party voters would have in fact voted Repub and not dem.

    As stated earlier, Ross Perot seemed to have more dem issues he was running under than republican issues. i find it hard to believe righties would have voted for him at all with a few of his stances, and think he took more votes from Dems than he did from Repubs
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    Damn....there goes all 16 people who were supporting him.

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    Johnson is encouraging Paul's supporters to vote for Paul in the primary and, if Paul fails to gain the nomination (as is likely) to vote for him in the general. Looks like a decent enough strategy and it gives the Paul supporters a good candidate to vote for in the general election, if they don't want to waste their vote on a big government progressive.

    Gary Johnson Encourages Supporters To Vote for Ron Paul in GOP Primary | Independent Political Report

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrjarrell View Post
    Johnson is encouraging Paul's supporters to vote for Paul in the primary and, if Paul fails to gain the nomination (as is likely) to vote for him in the general. Looks like a decent enough strategy and it gives the Paul supporters a good candidate to vote for in the general election, if they don't want to waste their vote on a big government progressive.

    Gary Johnson Encourages Supporters To Vote for Ron Paul in GOP Primary | Independent Political Report
    What good would voting for an obvious third place finish do? Is it to give people the outlet to vote just for the sake of voting so that it would make them feel all warm and fuzzy inside? Sort of like a consolation prize for comming in third place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KG1 View Post
    What good would voting for an obvious third place finish do? Is it to give people the outlet to vote just for the sake of voting so that it would make them feel all warm and fuzzy inside? Sort of like a consolation prize for comming in third place?

    Thats like me saying, "What good is it to vote D or R, you'll get the same thing." You couldnt pay me enough to vote for Mitt or Obama. You want to vote for someone thats pro gun control, obamacare etc etc. Go right ahead but my name will not be tied into that again
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    Mitt Romney on gun control -- 2002

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk1bJOpYUqE


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