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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leadeye View Post
    Very true., but I can tell when somebody comes to work drunk and send them home or off to the EAP places, stoned isn't as easy for me. Both are capable of making serious single mistakes or watching defective product get boxed and shipped. Once had a guy bend over to pick up a clip board he dropped and two joints fell out of his shirt pocket. That time I could tell before there was a problem, but to my knowledge there is no MJ tester like a breathalyzer.
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    Apparently the law hasnít stopped them from smoking it.
    Sort of like the gun ban in Chicago, isn't?
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    True, but my sense is that once it's decriminalized manufacturing problems will go up as there's not a good way to detect it and people will be more comfortable with coming to work stoned or going out at lunch and getting stoned.

    I don't really care what people do at home, it's not mine, the company's or the governments business. When they come to work stoned and affect my income I need to be legally able to deal with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bapak2ja View Post
    Over five years since I started this thread and the debate still goes on. Seattle has been the object of a serious study recently about how one deals with drug abuse, homelessness, and related problems. I think this relevant to this thread because many claim marijuana is a gateway drug. If it is, then this Seattle study may be the end game for many who use legalized marijuana. Others may disagree but I think the link is sufficient to raise the issue here.

    If marijuana is legalized/decriminalized, then there is a chance increased drug use and homelessness will follow. I have not done the research to prove this, as there is a growing set of data that could be analyzed in the states that have taken this step with marijuana. For purposes of discussion only, let's assume the legalization does lead to increased drug addiction and homelessness. Could/should the taxes from the sale of marijuana be used to fund a treatment program such as the one launched in Providence, RI and presented in this documentary beginning about minute 46:00?

    https://documentaryheaven.com/seattle-is-dying/

    How would you proponents of legalization respond to programs such as that launched in Rhode Island? Would this change anyone's opinion on the realization of marijuana?

    Just curious. Why d you think?
    I think that homelessness in Seattle is more about stupid progressive policies than anything relating to decriminalizing MJ. There are a number of reasons which we can get into if you want. Some studies on states that allow MJ use show their homeless population increases because it attracts homeless people from other states.
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    I cannot think of anything good that has come from legalizing drugs for recreational use. Even with medicinal use, somehow it gets out of hand. Just look at opioids. Abuse set in and now we have people who need it that are having a hard time getting it, if they can. Doctors are restricted in their prescriptions, thanks to the abusers. They legalize MJ for medicinal use and then for recreational use; what happens? It is abused and you have all kinds of problems....documented problems.

    It's a money maker at our expense. More crime, more homelessness, more dependency and certainly more laws which are actually ways to put more controls on our lives.

    We'll legalize it because we know you will abuse it and then we will need add more laws to protect (control) you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggidy View Post
    I cannot think of anything good that has come from legalizing drugs for recreational use. Even with medicinal use, somehow it gets out of hand. Just look at opioids. Abuse set in and now we have people who need it that are having a hard time getting it, if they can. Doctors are restricted in their prescriptions, thanks to the abusers. They legalize MJ for medicinal use and then for recreational use; what happens? It is abused and you have all kinds of problems....documented problems.

    It's a money maker at our expense. More crime, more homelessness, more dependency and certainly more laws which are actually ways to put more controls on our lives.

    We'll legalize it because we know you will abuse it and then we will need add more laws to protect (control) you.
    I'm confused the govt is legalizing these drugs in order to pass more laws to control us? Here I thought govt making drugs illegal was them controlling us.

    I also wouldn't make opioid dependence part of the argument, those remain illegal and yet we have a major issue with them. You don't see many homeless strung out on the pot looking for their next fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggidy View Post
    I cannot think of anything good that has come from legalizing drugs for recreational use. Even with medicinal use, somehow it gets out of hand. Just look at opioids. Abuse set in and now we have people who need it that are having a hard time getting it, if they can. Doctors are restricted in their prescriptions, thanks to the abusers. They legalize MJ for medicinal use and then for recreational use; what happens? It is abused and you have all kinds of problems....documented problems.

    It's a money maker at our expense. More crime, more homelessness, more dependency and certainly more laws which are actually ways to put more controls on our lives.

    We'll legalize it because we know you will abuse it and then we will need add more laws to protect (control) you.
    What good has come from their criminalization?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lex Concord View Post
    What good has come from their criminalization?
    It is the basic weakness of the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by churchmouse View Post
    It is the basic weakness of the people.
    The basic weakness of some weak people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jludo View Post
    The basic weakness of some weak people?
    Yes. Those who succumb to that weakness. We have all seen it. Friends we partied with when young. The everybody's looking for the weekend gang. Down the road many step out of that life into adulthood. Many can not make the transition. The weekend never stops.
    A very general analogy made with a broad brush but it sets the stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by churchmouse View Post
    Yes. Those who succumb to that weakness. We have all seen it. Friends we partied with when young. The everybody's looking for the weekend gang. Down the road many step out of that life into adulthood. Many can not make the transition. The weekend never stops.
    A very general analogy made with a broad brush but it sets the stage.
    Wouldn't that logic take you to a place of banning big gulps as well though?

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