Legalization of Marijuana?

[shootersix]

Looking for a good thread for this sort of stuff, this thread title seems good enough to fit the needs for a "General Marijuana Thread"

Rep. Jim Lucas R-Seymour introduces marijuana decriminalization bill

but until it becomes legal under federal law, your gun rights are in jeopardy!

on the 4473, the question are you a unlawful user of, or addicted to and lists marijuana and then says use remain illegal under federal law "even if legal for recreational or medicinal use in your state" and if you check yes, you cant buy a gun, and if you check no and get arrested, pulled over at a sobriety check point and tested, or you get recorded buying it at a legal dispensary (cause in Colorado they get you drivers license info) you've lied on a 4473 and remember the fine and jail time up to 5 years in prison. cause all they have to do is check to see if you've got a larry, and if you do, most likely you've got guns, or if a federal prosecutor picks up that you got pulled over under the influence of weed, guess what? yep federal charges and loss of your gun rights

remember what they tried to do in Hawaii
https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...d-hawaii-no-guns-you.html?445970=#post7322605

 

[BugI02]

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/01/14/is-marijuana-as-safe-as-we-think
Is Marijuana as Safe as We Think?

Alex Berenson has written a short manifesto, “Tell Your Children: The Truth About Marijuana, Mental Illness, and Violence.”

Berenson begins his book with an account of a conversation he had with his wife, a psychiatrist who specializes in treating mentally ill criminals. They were discussing one of the many grim cases that cross her desk—“the usual horror story, somebody who’d cut up his grandmother or set fire to his apartment.” Then his wife said something like “Of course, he was high, been smoking pot his whole life.”

Of course? I said.

Yeah, they all smoke.

Well . . . other things too, right?

Sometimes. But they all smoke.

Berenson used to be an investigative reporter for the Times, where he covered, among other things, health care and the pharmaceutical industry. Then he left the paper to write a popular series of thrillers. At the time of his conversation with his wife, he had the typical layman’s view of cannabis, which is that it is largely benign. His wife’s remark alarmed him, and he set out to educate himself.

The first of Berenson’s questions concerns what has long been the most worrisome point about cannabis: its association with mental illness. Many people with serious psychiatric illness smoke lots of pot. The marijuana lobby typically responds to this fact by saying that pot-smoking is a response to mental illness, not the cause of it—that people with psychiatric issues use marijuana to self-medicate. That is only partly true. In some cases, heavy cannabis use does seem to cause mental illness. As the National Academy panel declared, in one of its few unequivocal conclusions, “Cannabis use is likely to increase the risk of developing schizophrenia and other psychoses; the higher the use, the greater the risk.”

Berenson’s second question derives from the first. The delusions and paranoia that often accompany psychoses can sometimes trigger violent behavior. If cannabis is implicated in a rise in psychoses, should we expect the increased use of marijuana to be accompanied by a rise in violent crime, as Berenson’s wife suggested? Once again, there is no definitive answer, so Berenson has collected bits and pieces of evidence. For example, in a 2013 paper in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence, researchers looked at the results of a survey of more than twelve thousand American high-school students. The authors assumed that alcohol use among students would be a predictor of violent behavior, and that marijuana use would predict the opposite. In fact, those who used only marijuana were three times more likely to be physically aggressive than abstainers were; those who used only alcohol were 2.7 times more likely to be aggressive. Observational studies like these don’t establish causation. But they invite the sort of research that could.


Berenson looks, too, at the early results from the state of Washington, which, in 2014, became the first U.S. jurisdiction to legalize recreational marijuana. Between 2013 and 2017, the state’s murder and aggravated-assault rates rose forty per cent—twice the national homicide increase and four times the national aggravated-assault increase. We don’t know that an increase in cannabis use was responsible for that surge in violence. Berenson, though, finds it strange that, at a time when Washington may have exposed its population to higher levels of what is widely assumed to be a calming substance, its citizens began turning on one another with increased aggression.

It's a good read from a novel source/perspective

Cue the 'It's Reefer Madness II' comparisons

 

[ATOMonkey]

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/01/14/is-marijuana-as-safe-as-we-think
Is Marijuana as Safe as We Think?

It's a good read from a novel source/perspective

Cue the 'It's Reefer Madness II' comparisons

My perspective is that it doesn't matter if it's safe or not. Even if one hit could kill a person, I'd still want it to be legalized. There are lots of harmful substances out there, there is no reason to create a black market for this one.
The problems created by providing a black market for criminals far outweigh any issues associated with pot use.


There are many vices in the world and it's not any government's job to save anyone from any of them.

 

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[ArcadiaGP]

GOP lawmaker urges medical pot proponents to keep up fight despite Indiana governor's opposition

 

[What's The Frequency]

It’s inevitable but knowing Indiana we will be the last ones to legalize it 30 years after everyone else. Then and only when it’s coupled with the “Ban Alcohol on Sundays” and “Move Indiana To No Daylight Savings” bills get packaged with it.


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[indyjs]

It’s inevitable but knowing Indiana we will be the last ones to legalize it 30 years after everyone else. Then and only when it’s coupled with the “Ban Alcohol on Sundays” and “Move Indiana To No Daylight Savings” bills get packaged with it.


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Better yet - legalize weed and criminalize narcan

 

[patriot574]

With Michigan legalizing, Indiana is going to have it flowing in like crazy once the recreational shops open, there going to eventually have to do something.

 

[Ruffnek]

With Michigan legalizing, Indiana is going to have it flowing in like crazy once the recreational shops open, there going to eventually have to do something.

Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that "something" won't involve giving up a practice that has been proven ineffective (prohibition) many times over. It'll more likely be an increase in police militarization, asset forfeiture, and harassment of travelers near the state border(s).

 

[HoughMade]

With Michigan legalizing, Indiana is going to have it flowing in like crazy once the recreational shops open, there going to eventually have to do something.

You mean check points and ogs and such.

Before this is pressure to legalize, it's a revenue stream for local court systems.

 

[Bapak2ja]

Enjoyed reading all the discussion.

 

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34 Pounds of Suspected Marijuana Found On Traffic Stop

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[FONT=&quot] INDIANA STATE POLICE PENDLETON DISTRICT 9022 S. State Road 67 Pendleton, IN 46064[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] www.in.gov/isp[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] FOR RELEASE: Upon Receipt[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]CONTACT: Sgt. John Bowling Public Information Officer 765-778-2121[/FONT] [FONT=&quot] [/FONT] [FONT=&quot]DATE - July 2, 2019[/FONT] [FONT=&quot] [/FONT] [FONT=&quot] 34 Pounds of Suspected Marijuana Found On Traffic Stop[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] Henry County – With Fourth of July Holiday traffic in full swing, troopers are out on the highways looking for aggressive and impaired drivers. Tonight (7/2) just before 6:30 p.m. Trooper Ray Otter was out patrolling on I-70 east bound in Henry County when he noticed a Dodge Challenger in the right lane that was following the vehicle in front of it too closely.[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] Trooper Otter stopped the Challenger in the area of the 132 mile marker and made contact with the driver, Janice Taylor, age 32 of Inver Grove Heights, Minnesota. Taylor, who said she was traveling from California to Maryland, seemed unusually nervous, so Otter called for assistance. Cambridge City Police Officer Matt Smarrelli responded to the 132 mile marker with his K9 partner “Barry.”[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] Officer Smarrelli led his K9 around the outside of the Challenger, and the dog alerted to the presence of contraband in the vehicle. Trooper Justin Beamon was nearby and also came to assist. Further investigation by the officers turned up 34 individual packages of suspected marijuana each weighing approximately one pound. The approximate street value of the drug would be an estimated $70,000. Taylor was arrested and lodged in the Henry County Jail charged with Level 5 Felony Dealing Marijuana.[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] To help ensure the safety of all motorists during this 4th of July Holiday Period, the Indiana State Police will be participating in Operation C.A.R.E., Combined Accident Reduction Effort, and DUIEP, or Driving Under the Influence Enforcement Project. Both of these are federally funded programs that will allow extra troopers to patrol Hoosier highways during the holiday period.[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] The Pendleton District covers the eight counties of Delaware, Madison, and Randolph; Henry, Wayne, Union, Rush and Fayette counties. Motorists are encouraged to report suspected impaired drivers by calling 9-1-1. Give a vehicle description, location, and direction of travel. Never follow an impaired driver.[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] All Suspects Are Presumed Innocent Until Proven Guilty in a Court of Law[/FONT]​ ​ [FONT=&quot] -30-[/FONT]​ ​

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[newtothis]

You mean check points and ogs and such.

Before this is pressure to legalize, it's a revenue stream for local court systems.

I second this thought. Increase the number of troopers with D.R.E. Experience and place them within 50 miles of state borders... and wait for speeders and other persons... boom, confiscation of illicit/illegal substances and personal properties in addition to court and legal fees. To quote a rap song from the early 2k’s .... “dolla dolla bills..... dolla, dolla bills”

edit: autocorrect fail.

 

[jamil]

34 Pounds of Suspected Marijuana Found On Traffic Stop

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[FONT=&amp] INDIANA STATE POLICE PENDLETON DISTRICT 9022 S. State Road 67 Pendleton, IN 46064​ [/FONT][FONT=&amp] www.in.gov/isp​ [/FONT][FONT=&amp] FOR RELEASE: Upon Receipt​ [/FONT] [FONT=&amp]CONTACT: Sgt. John Bowling Public Information Officer 765-778-2121[/FONT] [FONT=&amp]DATE - July 2, 2019[/FONT] [FONT=&amp] 34 Pounds of Suspected Marijuana Found On Traffic Stop​ [/FONT]​ [FONT=&amp] Henry County – With Fourth of July Holiday traffic in full swing, troopers are out on the highways looking for aggressive and impaired drivers. Tonight (7/2) just before 6:30 p.m. Trooper Ray Otter was out patrolling on I-70 east bound in Henry County when he noticed a Dodge Challenger in the right lane that was following the vehicle in front of it too closely.​ [/FONT][FONT=&amp] Trooper Otter stopped the Challenger in the area of the 132 mile marker and made contact with the driver, Janice Taylor, age 32 of Inver Grove Heights, Minnesota. Taylor, who said she was traveling from California to Maryland, seemed unusually nervous, so Otter called for assistance. Cambridge City Police Officer Matt Smarrelli responded to the 132 mile marker with his K9 partner “Barry.”​ [/FONT][FONT=&amp] Officer Smarrelli led his K9 around the outside of the Challenger, and the dog alerted to the presence of contraband in the vehicle. Trooper Justin Beamon was nearby and also came to assist. Further investigation by the officers turned up 34 individual packages of suspected marijuana each weighing approximately one pound. The approximate street value of the drug would be an estimated $70,000. Taylor was arrested and lodged in the Henry County Jail charged with Level 5 Felony Dealing Marijuana.​ [/FONT][FONT=&amp] To help ensure the safety of all motorists during this 4th of July Holiday Period, the Indiana State Police will be participating in Operation C.A.R.E., Combined Accident Reduction Effort, and DUIEP, or Driving Under the Influence Enforcement Project. Both of these are federally funded programs that will allow extra troopers to patrol Hoosier highways during the holiday period.​ [/FONT][FONT=&amp] The Pendleton District covers the eight counties of Delaware, Madison, and Randolph; Henry, Wayne, Union, Rush and Fayette counties. Motorists are encouraged to report suspected impaired drivers by calling 9-1-1. Give a vehicle description, location, and direction of travel. Never follow an impaired driver.​ [/FONT] [FONT=&amp] All Suspects Are Presumed Innocent Until Proven Guilty in a Court of Law​ [/FONT][FONT=&amp] -30-​ [/FONT]​

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Party at Otto’s house!

 

[KellyinAvon]

34 Pounds of Suspected Marijuana Found On Traffic Stop

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[FONT=&amp] INDIANA STATE POLICE PENDLETON DISTRICT 9022 S. State Road 67 Pendleton, IN 46064​ [/FONT][FONT=&amp] www.in.gov/isp​ [/FONT][FONT=&amp] FOR RELEASE: Upon Receipt​ [/FONT] [FONT=&amp]CONTACT: Sgt. John Bowling Public Information Officer 765-778-2121[/FONT] [FONT=&amp]DATE - July 2, 2019[/FONT] [FONT=&amp] 34 Pounds of Suspected Marijuana Found On Traffic Stop​ [/FONT]​ [FONT=&amp] Henry County – With Fourth of July Holiday traffic in full swing, troopers are out on the highways looking for aggressive and impaired drivers. Tonight (7/2) just before 6:30 p.m. Trooper Ray Otter was out patrolling on I-70 east bound in Henry County when he noticed a Dodge Challenger in the right lane that was following the vehicle in front of it too closely.​ [/FONT][FONT=&amp] Trooper Otter stopped the Challenger in the area of the 132 mile marker and made contact with the driver, Janice Taylor, age 32 of Inver Grove Heights, Minnesota. Taylor, who said she was traveling from California to Maryland, seemed unusually nervous, so Otter called for assistance. Cambridge City Police Officer Matt Smarrelli responded to the 132 mile marker with his K9 partner “Barry.”​ [/FONT][FONT=&amp] Officer Smarrelli led his K9 around the outside of the Challenger, and the dog alerted to the presence of contraband in the vehicle. Trooper Justin Beamon was nearby and also came to assist. Further investigation by the officers turned up 34 individual packages of suspected marijuana each weighing approximately one pound. The approximate street value of the drug would be an estimated $70,000. Taylor was arrested and lodged in the Henry County Jail charged with Level 5 Felony Dealing Marijuana.​ [/FONT][FONT=&amp] To help ensure the safety of all motorists during this 4th of July Holiday Period, the Indiana State Police will be participating in Operation C.A.R.E., Combined Accident Reduction Effort, and DUIEP, or Driving Under the Influence Enforcement Project. Both of these are federally funded programs that will allow extra troopers to patrol Hoosier highways during the holiday period.​ [/FONT][FONT=&amp] The Pendleton District covers the eight counties of Delaware, Madison, and Randolph; Henry, Wayne, Union, Rush and Fayette counties. Motorists are encouraged to report suspected impaired drivers by calling 9-1-1. Give a vehicle description, location, and direction of travel. Never follow an impaired driver.​ [/FONT] [FONT=&amp] All Suspects Are Presumed Innocent Until Proven Guilty in a Court of Law​ [/FONT][FONT=&amp] -30-​ [/FONT]​

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$70K for 34 pounds. 34*16=544 ounces. $70K/544=$128.68. Is this ditch-weed? $128/OZ in 2019?

 

[Thumper]

$70K for 34 pounds. 34*16=544 ounces. $70K/544=$128.68. Is this ditch-weed? $128/OZ in 2019?

Dont ever make it legal

 

[jagee]

$70K for 34 pounds. 34*16=544 ounces. $70K/544=$128.68. Is this ditch-weed? $128/OZ in 2019?

Ditch weed? Yeah, more than likely. Looks like it - just not in the standard brick shape

 

[semperfi211]

Is there any test that determines if someone is under the influence of marijuana at the time the test is done? With many states legalizing recreational weed I was wondering if it can be proven that someone is driving under the influence of weed.

 

[Trigger Time]

Fist pumping by the man. They really saved thousands of lives by getting that weed off our streets. LOL obviously thats a joke!
I will never applaud law enforcement for weed busts.

What a waste of our resources fighting this dumb drug war on weed.
I hope they legalize it soon. I dont use it but i have no problem with people who do in the privacy of their homes.

I saw on the news that since illinois legalized it now, out of state people can go there and buy up to a 1/2 ounce at a time. So even though its illegal in indiana still, now there's gonna be thousands of people buying it and bringing it back here. Theyll never be able to have enough resources to find and arrest everyone.

And yeah i know criminal enterprises make money off drugs but if it wasnt illegal and therefore more valuable then they wouldn't be able to. The govt is the ones that create the black market.
Also the CIA and other govt agencies have always been the biggest drug dealers in the world because they use that profit to fund more of rheir illegal activities they hide from the president and congress.

 

[Trigger Time]

Is there any test that determines if someone is under the influence of marijuana at the time the test is done? With many states legalizing recreational weed I was wondering if it can be proven that someone is driving under the influence of weed.

Also CBD oils will show up as a positive weed test. I think they can determine amounts of it in the system.
I cant believe we even test for weed or lock people up for it.
I would much rather see people high than drunk. Shouldnt drive while impaired on anything legal or not, but there was a study showing people who are high on weed actually arent bad drivers the same as alcohol. Yeah it should stay illegal to be high and drive, but weed isnt and has never been the evil drug that govt propaganda made it out to be.