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    Angry If Psychologists Can’t Peg Dangerous People, How Will Red Flag Laws Help?

    ​I would like any politician to answer this question.

    Red Flag laws costs lives of both civilians and LEO's.

    https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2019/0...lag-laws-help/
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    New "gun control" laws are not about the guns,mental illness, etc., but about CONTROL!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by d.kaufman View Post
    New "gun control" laws are not about the guns,mental illness, etc., but about CONTROL!!!
    And we have a solid winner on the #2 post in the thread.
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    It's not about predicting the future, it's about reporting what people say and are doing.

    I know we all want to find reasons to do nothing, but there may be some reasonable things that have the potential to help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoughMade View Post
    It's not about predicting the future, it's about reporting what people say and are doing.

    I know we all want to find reasons to do nothing, but there may be some reasonable things that have the potential to help.
    Seriously. As with so many other programs/laws put on us from on high this will be manipulated into something other than help.
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    Simple. Anyone reported will be deemed a threat.
    Nobody wants to clear someone, and then they shoot people.
    "Una salus victis nullam sperare salutem."

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    Doesn't matter. It's not about preventing violence, it's about persecuting and disarming gun owners. It's about getting as many confiscations as possible under whatever excuses are necessary, and imposing a chilling effect on everyone else to suppress pro-gun speech and advocacy.

    There will be no standards, no evidence. There isn't a judge in the country who will turn down an order, for fear of being that judge who let a mass shooter keep his guns. There isn't a judge in the country who will allow an order to expire, for the same reason. This is about giving anti-gunners the ability to order no-knock SWAT raids and de facto lifetime possession bans against anyone they want.

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    I received this in an email...a potential situation that could result from the Red Flag laws.

    Reading through it, I could name several families that easily could be this couple.



    Red Flag Laws. Here’s what will happen...


    It’s a Sunday night and your family has all gone to bed. You let the dogs back in and lock the deadbolt like you do every night. All the lights are off now except a couple of night lights scattered throughout the house leaving that dim glow throughout your home. It’s bedtime and work and school are going to come early in the morning. You crawl in bed, kiss your wife and drift off to sleep being thankful for the air conditioning that allows you to pull that heavy quilt up over your shoulder despite the fact it’s still 85 degrees outside. A few hours pass...

    0200 Monday morning and your wife taps your leg and says, “baby I heard something outside”. As you sit up in bed you hear the dog growling in the living room and you know something isn’t right. You grab that trusty ole 870 and head into the living room. Your wife grabs her 9mm and heads down the hall to the kids rooms just like you have rehearsed. “Good boy” you say as you enter the living room, trying to calm both the dog and your wife just as splinters fly across the room and the front door flys open. “Oh ****!” As you shoulder your weapon and send a load of 00 Buck across your living room and see the perpetrator fall in a heap. Before the “thank God” can even run across your brain, you see a second man coming in the door and you fire again. This time you hear the pop of your wife’s 9mm as she has joined in the fight. It has to be those damn meth heads from down in town! Just then you are consumed by a wall of bullets as you see multiple muzzle flashes from just outside the door and you realize something isn’t right. You turn to yell at your wife to “get down” just in time to see her take a load of buckshot to the face and her brain matter splatter the wall behind her. You feel the burning as 5.56 bullets Riddle your body. One clips your spine as you’re scrambling away and paralyzes your lower body. The last thing you see before you bleed out is a SWAT guy from your local PD holding your teenage daughter on the floor with a knee in her back as she screams and cry’s because she just watched her parents being murdered.

    Why did this happen? You’re no criminal. You’re a Conservative and an honest family man. Your wife is a school teacher and your daughters are on honor roll. Why did this happen?

    Well two days ago, you and your wife went down to welcome the new neighbors to the community. Your wife made them some of her “world famous” cookies and you invited them to church on Sunday. Later that afternoon, you got a friend request on Facebook from your new neighbor, which you gladly accepted. They seemed a little odd, but in the few minutes you talked they were pleasant enough. The next day while you and your family sat in church, your new neighbor scrolled through your Facebook profile. He saw that “Trump 2020” post and got infuriated. See, he’s a staunch liberal and he hates your kind. The next thing he sees are the hunting pictures you took last fall when your daughter bagged her first buck. Now he’s seething with fury because he is wholeheartedly against the “slaughter of innocent animals”. Next he sees your post from the last range day with your buddy and sees those scary black assault weapons on the table and that does it! He has to do something about the racist domestic terrorist living next door. He picks up the phone, calls the local Sheriffs Office and reports you as a threat under the new Red Flag law. The SO follows their SOP’s and conducts a no knock warrant because you have now been denied due process and you are considered guilty until proven innocent.

    Now you, your lovely wife and two deputies have been killed for nothing. Your daughter will have absolute hell for the rest of her life. She will never be that successful person you dreamed for her to be because of the mental tragedy caused from seeing her parents murdered. The local news paper will report that you were killed after firing on and killing two deputies and that “over a thousand rounds of ammo and 22 guns were confiscated from your residence”.

    Oh, those two deputies were just following orders. They left behind families as well and had served their community for over a decade. They didn’t know you were a stand-up guy with a great family. They weren’t allowed time to investigate things under due process. They were told you had threatened your neighbor and were out in the street waving an AR15 around.

    This is the reality of Red Flag gun laws. Innocent people will lose their lives. Red Flag laws will be used for petty and vengeful reasons without merit.
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    if "Red Flag" laws don't have plenty of due process protections, they'll eventually be abused as yet another vehicle to disarm the innocent.
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    One thing about Americans is they LOVE to share information about themselves in public and especially on social media. These types of laws feed off that impulse to open one's life to public inspection.

    No doubt in future red flag laws will have a chilling effect on freedom of speech and debate on public forums, but in the meantime plenty of grist for the mill that is the 'justice' system.


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