Union Busting or Consumer Demand? Winchester moves from IL to MISS

[Life Member]

I just can't figure why some want to demonize american workers for trying to maintain their standard of living.

 

[Joe Williams]

I just can't figure why some want to demonize american workers for trying to maintain their standard of living.

I'm trying to figure out why you are demonizing American workers for raising their standard of living.

 

[ATF Consumer]

I just can't figure why some want to demonize american workers for trying to maintain their standard of living.

When something is raised higher than it can be sustained...something will fail.

 

[Life Member]

If this was a laughing matter I would!!

 

[malern28us]

Any company that moves out of Illinois gets my money if I can use their product or afford it.
Supporting a state with crap gun laws and that blatently abuses power seems the opposite of what I believe in.
It still is a "free enterprise" system , for now.

 

[sj kahr k40]

I just can't figure why some want to demonize american workers for trying to maintain their standard of living.

I can't understand why anyone would vote themselves out of a job

 

[melensdad]

I just can't figure why some want to demonize american workers for trying to maintain their standard of living.

Nobody is doing that but as an American worker, who is also a consumer, nobody seems to be willing to pay extra money for the same product that is produced in the USA. That is the crux of it all right there. 2 loaded rounds, one made in the US one made in a foreign land. The price difference is 2 or 3 cents more for the American made product. That's an extra $1 to $1.50 for a box of 50. Or an extra $20 to $30 per thousand rounds.

Now honestly who here, you included, pays that extra $20 to $30 just for blasting away at the range?

And if you don't pay it, then how can the company afford to pay American workers a special premium? Or how can the workers justify the extra pay to their boss?

 

[Fireaxes]

Do you believe that this will lead to lower ammo prices? The corporate side will be laughing all the way to the bank. It's all about profit, there is no more loyalty. While the cost of living goes up, you are expected to work for less every year, and be thankful you have a job.

 

[ATF Consumer]

If this was a laughing matter I would!!

Read up on Austrian economics...you might learn a thing or two...

 

[Life Member]

Should I look up Keynesian or Austrian economics?

 

[ATF Consumer]

Should I look up Keynesian or Austrian economics?

Both...one is bad, one is good...they are in that order.

 

[malern28us]

I do try to buy American when it comes to ammunition. In fact, I have more Winchester ammo than any other brands combined with Silver State Armory a close second. I only justify the added expense by the fact I can reload the brass. I bought Russian surplus twice, not impressed but I learned a lesson.
Sometimes the price difference is a lot more than pennies. Take a look at the price of American 7.62 x 39 rounds. I know it doesnt cost 3-5 bucks more per 20 rounds than 30-06 or .308 to make.
My only recourse is to give others my money until the price is adjusted or there is a surplus.

 

[Life Member]

Thanks, I will.

 

[melensdad]

Do you believe that this will lead to lower ammo prices? The corporate side will be laughing all the way to the bank. It's all about profit, there is no more loyalty. While the cost of living goes up, you are expected to work for less every year, and be thankful you have a job.

Nope not figuring the prices will go down but betting they won't go up and betting that the company will be able to stay in business instead of closing its doors completely and losing everything to foreign competitors.

The thing I don't get is why people think that profit is bad? Without it then nobody gets paid. Companies need it to pay employees. As profits drop due to competition and other factors then the companies must do whatever it takes to stay in business. In this case the company negotiated with everyone from government to unions. Everyone gave them concessions except the unions.

Should I look up Keynesian or Austrian economics?

Look up both. Keynesain is the the economic model that has been proven to be a failure several times but it is still taught and still has many powerful followers including many of our political leaders. Austrian is the opposing theory and has been proven to be correct but is not popular because it is so simple that people don't believe it can work.

 

[Expat]

Both...one is bad, one is good...they are in that order.

After those, you have to read [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Monetary-History-United-States-1867-1960/dp/0691003548]Amazon.com: A Monetary History of the United States, 1867-1960 (9780691003542): Milton Friedman, Anna Jacobson Schwartz: Books[/ame]

Until you read Milton Friedman you are economically ignorant.

 

[Arm America]

Since production cost is going to be less,
does that mean we can expect a price drop on their firearms?

That should equate to more sales, and further cost reductions of manufacturing.

 

[malern28us]

Since production cost is going to be less,
does that mean we can expect a price drop on their firearms?

That should equate to more sales, and further cost reductions of manufacturing.

Dreamer! It should but not really likely.

 

[Life Member]

This move is not about retail price. It's about increasing profit, at the workers expence.

 

[melensdad]

Since production cost is going to be less,
does that mean we can expect a price drop on their firearms?

That should equate to more sales, and further cost reductions of manufacturing.

It was already pointed out previously that the two don't go hand in hand.

In fact if you look rationally at ammo, the US produced stuff is already higher than the import stuff so the best we can hope for is that the US produced products remain competitive and don't go up.

By the way, your logic of more sales = further cost reductions is not always true either. There are diminishing returns as capacity begins to reach maximum for the factory, thereby adding to costs when new factories need to be brought on line.

This move is not about retail price. It's about profit, at the workers expence.

Really? Do you have evidence of that claim that it is at the workers expense? Obviously it is about profit, that is what companies need to keep their doors open. No profit and no jobs. Pretty simple. But you are making a claim without evidence to back up your claim and there is already plenty of evidence to support the claim that they are in need of competing with foreign ammo prices. You have yet to dispute that fact.

 

[sj kahr k40]

I think it's possible that the deal was done before they even announced the possibility of moving. Why not build upon what they already have and save money?

I was more thinking one of the reasons it went to Oxford instead of Indiana or anywhere else was because there is a Winchester factory already there