Barbarians in Control: Open Season on LEOs

[Bapak2ja]

Just saw this on another forum and thought it would interest our members. It reminds us that depending on the police for protection is an exercise in futility, and that our justice system must return to a focus on guilt rather than fulfilling all technical aspects of the law. Preserve the protections against self incrimination and torture, but rediscover reason and sanity when reviewing the technicalities. What say you ?

John Kass: When the barbarians no longer fear the police - chicagotribune.com

 

[IndianaResident]

Too often being an obvious capable guardian means being the first one hit.

Police and uniformed (static esp) guards get shot first by people they don't even know are threats.....why does any civilian choose to OC?

 

[kingnereli]

Too often being an obvious capable guardian means being the first one hit.

Police and uniformed (static esp) guards get shot first by people they don't even know are threats.....why does any civilian choose to OC?

Do you have some evidence these men were killed for their open display of firearms? If not your question is irrelevant.

 

[Bondhead88]

Too often being an obvious capable guardian means being the first one hit.

Police and uniformed (static esp) guards get shot first by people they don't even know are threats.....why does any civilian choose to OC?

I am confused at both your statement and your question.
I am the guardian of my life and my family and my property. This is both my right and my responsibility. As a LEO you are to assist in this not dominate in it.

Respect for LEO in our hose is mandatory but it does not mean subservience nor giving up the right for us to defend what is lawfully mine.

Why would I not have the right to OC or CC (I know you only said OC but others would include CC)

What part of "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". Do people not understand.

Telling me to OC, CC or not carry at all is infringement.

Infringement: an encroachment or trespass on a right or privilege

Encroachment: to enter by gradual steps or by stealth into the possessions or rights of another
: to advance beyond the usual or proper limits

 

[MinuteMan47]

The events that took place in the article are VERY tragic.

The cops weren't killed because they were OCing . The cops were killed because the "barbarian" knew he was BUSTED.

I believe "fear" was the wrong word to be used in this article. No one should FEAR the police.

A barbarian doesn't fear ANYONE or ANYTHING because they have nothing to lose.

 

[Bondhead88]

The events that took place in the article are VERY tragic.

The cops weren't killed because they were OCing . The cops were killed because the "barbarian" knew he was BUSTED.

I believe "fear" was the wrong word to be used in this article. No one should FEAR the police.

A barbarian doesn't fear ANYONE or ANYTHING because they have nothing to lose.

Excellent Point!

 

[Bondhead88]

Just saw this on another forum and thought it would interest our members. It reminds us that depending on the police for protection is an exercise in futility, and that our justice system must return to a focus on guilt rather than fulfilling all technical aspects of the law. Preserve the protections against self incrimination and torture, but rediscover reason and sanity when reviewing the technicalities. What say you ?

John Kass: When the barbarians no longer fear the police - chicagotribune.com

So this is in Chicago where law abiding citizens cannot carry guns? But the criminals still get to?

 

[Hellion_1]

So this is in Chicago where law abiding citizens cannot carry guns? But the criminals still get to?

Well yeah!! How else do you think Chicago keeps it's crime rate so low??

(The above statement is so sarcastic, I was unsure of which shade of purple to use.)

 

[OWGEM]

I am confused at both your statement and your question.
I am the guardian of my life and my family and my property. This is both my right and my responsibility. As a LEO you are to assist in this not dominate in it.

Respect for LEO in our hose is mandatory but it does not mean subservience nor giving up the right for us to defend what is lawfully mine.

Why would I not have the right to OC or CC (I know you only said OC but others would include CC)

What part of "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed". Do people not understand.

Telling me to OC, CC or not carry at all is infringement.

Infringement: an encroachment or trespass on a right or privilege

Encroachment: to enter by gradual steps or by stealth into the possessions or rights of another
: to advance beyond the usual or proper limits

Good and noble stance on the right to bear arms. However I think it would have more impact if IndianaResident had said anything about your right to bear arms. All I see is a question on why one would OC.

 

[LEaSH]

I read this post this morning and haven't been able to stop thinking about it. So disgustingly sad.

 

[littletommy]

I love how the Chicago Tribune puts a link that says "come shopping in Chicago"! right in the middle of an article about Chicago cops being murdered. I guess that's pretty much how the thought process goes in our fair neighbor to the north. Chicago has been a lawless, corrupt, cesspool for as long as it has been a city, yet people keep wondering why such horrible things keep happening there. There are so many people to blame for stuff like this that I couldn't begin to list them all. And the scariest thing is, this is where our president hails from. Wow!

 

[MerKWorK]

If this is happening now...think of how bad this would get if things really got bad. Oh yeah that thin veneer thing!!!

 

[ATF Consumer]

Too often being an obvious capable guardian means being the first one hit.

Police and uniformed (static esp) guards get shot first by people they don't even know are threats.....why does any civilian choose to OC?

My reaction time OCing beats your CC reaction time, every time.

taken from examiner.com...

As noted by the US Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) (striking down the DC gun ban), open carry was traditionally viewed socially and legally as preferable to concealed carry throughout most of the history of the United States.

But even many traditional concealed carriers, though believing that concealed carry is the best for them, are finally comin' around to acknowledging that the right to open carry is a valuable complimentary option to augent their privilege to conceal carry. Other gun owners believe open carry sometimes has the tactical advantage of deterrence, and the political upside of accelerating the "normalization of guns" in the United States, or in plain English, getting' gun carry out o' the closet.

 

[Bapak2ja]

So this is in Chicago where law abiding citizens cannot carry guns? But the criminals still get to?

It is surpassing strange that the rulers of the city demand the citizens be disarmed, but cannot see the rule of the gun now reigns supreme on the streets.

How could this happen in a city where guns are banned? Simple. Gun free zones are really barbarian controlled zones.

 

[Will0369]

It is amazing that someone with so much life ahead of them would make such a poor choice. This is one of the most awful displays of violence that you can imagine, over a car stereo none the less.

 

[Bondhead88]

It is surpassing strange that the rulers of the city demand the citizens be disarmed, but cannot see the rule of the gun now reigns supreme on the streets.

How could this happen in a city where guns are banned? Simple. Gun free zones are really barbarian controlled zones.

Boxing Day in 2005 that's the day after Christmas and Canada's version of Black Friday) two gangs got in a shoot out at The Eaton's Centre downtown Toronto. The only casualty was a 15 year old girl who was hit in the head with a bullet and died at the scene.

She had been out shopping with her family. By the way Toronto is supposed to be a gun free zone, where once again guns seem to be free to the criminals but will cost law abiding citizens everything they were, are or ever will be.

 

[Bill of Rights]

So this is in Chicago where law abiding citizens cannot carry guns? But the criminals still get to?

Don't forget that in Haynes v United States, SCOTUS ruled that convicted felons are not required to register their firearms as it would constitute self-incrimination.

 

[clgustaveson]

Good and noble stance on the right to bear arms. However I think it would have more impact if IndianaResident had said anything about your right to bear arms. All I see is a question on why one would OC.

The point he was making is limiting the open carry of a fire arm is encroachment of that right.

It starts out by the "experts" thinking they know what's best and so they "help" us by making those things illegal.

I open carry because I have that right, the element of surprise is only an offensive advantage- I carry my gun for defense.

IMHO they didn't kill the armed LEOs because they were armed, they killed them to prevent being caught. MOST criminals have a level of fear going into any "job" and the available presence of danger can and sometimes does deter that situation from manifesting.

This is just my opinion, many exist but mine is the only correct one.

 

[OWGEM]

The point he was making is limiting the open carry of a fire arm is encroachment of that right.

It starts out by the "experts" thinking they know what's best and so they "help" us by making those things illegal.

That's all well and good, however IndianaResident did not say anything about limiting the open carry of a firearm. You OC guys are too quick to the draw.

 

[clgustaveson]

The point he was making is limiting the open carry of a fire arm is encroachment of that right.

It starts out by the "experts" thinking they know what's best and so they "help" us by making those things illegal.

That's all well and good, however IndianaResident did not say anything about limiting the open carry of a firearm. You OC guys are too quick to the draw.

So? Still not sure what your point is... The mindset is what is dangerous and that's the point being made.

1) Either open carry is unsafe and escalates a situation
Or
2) Conceal Carry is better

Both of those are valid arguments, one of those is a political hot potato.