Texting while driving

[rambone]

I would be happier if rather than making more infractions there was an enhanced sentence if you were involved in an accident while distracted. Text, put on makeup, turn around and scream at your kids and get in a fender bender and it's minimum class C misdemeanor. Cause bodily injury minimum D felony. Guarantee some jail time. That should satisfy everybody, right?

Criminalize car accidents... Yes, that's brilliant. I have been racking my brain trying to think of a way to get more people put in prison. Right now America is doing a ****-poor job of imprisoning its population, with only 1% of its citizens behind bars. With your help, maybe we can get several times that amount. That distracted scumbag mother can go to prison after she gets out of the hospital. Maybe the State can seize her children too, since she won't be much of a mother in prison. I like your style, SemperFi! I can't wait to hear the Anarchists and Libtards cry about "being oppressed" by this so-called "Big Government."

 

[96firephoenix]

Drunk driving: less dangerous than texting

drinking and driving is illegal...

According to the CNBC experiment, unimpaired drivers on average took .54 seconds to brake. Four feet were added to the braking distance of a legally drunk driver, while a staggering 70 feet were added to the braking distance of a texter.

The debate between drunk driving and texting while driving - Two Cents

more here.

 

[Hoosier8]

Flawed logic is thinking a multi million dollar piece of paper sitting somewhere will stop things from happening. Drunk driving is illegal. However, countless people are doing it right now because they know they will only get in trouble if they get pulled over or have an accident.


So, the only distracting thing you do while driving is talking? If this is true then you are the ONLY person I know who doesn't let other things distract them while driving, myself included. Let's use talking while driving as an example. I know that I've had near misses because I was talking and not fully paying attention. First one happened when I was 16 and had two girls in my truck. This isn't any different then texting. We are responsible for what distracts us while driving.

Flawed logic is thinking a multi million dollar piece of paper sitting somewhere will stop things from happening. Drunk driving is illegal. However, countless people are doing it right now because they know they will only get in trouble if they get pulled over or have an accident.


I'll drink to that! Cheers!

 

[Vlad the Impaler]

Forget writing laws for this, there will be another distraction tomorrow that will be equal and not included.
This woman should get involuntary manslaughter. Sounds like what it was, and let the jury decide how bad she gets punished. That'll get the message across using the laws already on the books.

 

[Ogre]

Criminalize car accidents... Yes, that's brilliant. I have been racking my brain trying to think of a way to get more people put in prison. Right now America is doing a ****-poor job of imprisoning its population, with only 1% of its citizens behind bars. With your help, maybe we can get several times that amount. That distracted scumbag mother can go to prison after she gets out of the hospital. Maybe the State can seize her children too, since she won't be much of a mother in prison. I like your style, SemperFi! I can't wait to hear the Anarchists and Libtards cry about "being oppressed" by this so-called "Big Government."

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rep'd!
[/strike]on edit: nevermind,I spoke too soon. I must spread it around, but the sentiment is there.

 

[rem700]

as far as im concerned....there is nothing being said in that text that cant wait till you get to a stop light or you get home. it wasnt that long ago we didnt even have cells and we made just fine

 

[steveh_131]

Criminalize car accidents... Yes, that's brilliant. I have been racking my brain trying to think of a way to get more people put in prison. Right now America is doing a ****-poor job of imprisoning its population, with only 1% of its citizens behind bars. With your help, maybe we can get several times that amount. That distracted scumbag mother can go to prison after she gets out of the hospital. Maybe the State can seize her children too, since she won't be much of a mother in prison. I like your style, SemperFi! I can't wait to hear the Anarchists and Libtards cry about "being oppressed" by this so-called "Big Government."

Hmm, this is a tough call. If you are negligent and cause damage to a vehicle, it seems like the penalties should simply be financial.

If you are negligent and kill or maim someone...I can't say I'm totally against prison time.

The punishment should fit the crime. If we're against a government nanny state, we must at least replace it with personal responsibility for the consequences of peoples' actions.

 

[.40caltrucker]

as far as im concerned....there is nothing being said in that text that cant wait till you get to a stop light or you get home. it wasnt that long ago we didnt even have cells and we made just fine

I watched a guy on Saturday, in Bloomington responding to a text set through an entire green light. The people behind him started honking then as he started moving the light changed to yellow.

 

[rjstew317]

The punishment should fit the crime. If we're against a government nanny state, we must at least replace it with personality responsibility for the consequences of peoples' actions.

seems reasonable.

 

[public servant]

Criminalize car accidents... Yes, that's brilliant. I have been racking my brain trying to think of a way to get more people put in prison. Right now America is doing a ****-poor job of imprisoning its population, with only 1% of its citizens behind bars. With your help, maybe we can get several times that amount. That distracted scumbag mother can go to prison after she gets out of the hospital. Maybe the State can seize her children too, since she won't be much of a mother in prison. I like your style, SemperFi! I can't wait to hear the Anarchists and Libtards cry about "being oppressed" by this so-called "Big Government."

Exactly how would it work in your State of Anarchy and Utopia?

The punishment should fit the crime. If we're against a government nanny state, we must at least replace it with personal responsibility for the consequences of peoples' actions.

There is no personal responsibility in Anarchyville.

I should be able to do whatever I want...whenever I want. There are no consequences for my actions.

 

[hornadylnl]

Exactly how would it work in your State of Anarchy and Utopia?

There is no personal responsibility in Anarchyville.

I should be able to do whatever I want...whenever I want. There are no consequences for my actions.

Ok, here we go with the anarchy accusations again. Who here is advocating anarchy? I see statists and people who advocate property rights. Most here being statists though.

 

[dross]

Let's make a list of everything that's good, and everything that's bad. If it's good, you can do it. If it's bad, instant death penalty.

Simplified legal code.

 

[public servant]

Ok, here we go with the anarchy accusations again. Who here is advocating anarchy? I see statists and people who advocate property rights. Most here being statists though.

He doesn't think vehicle wrecks caused by negligence should be illegal.

While I personally don't believe texting should be illegal...I agree with the poster that stated enhance the consequences if you're doing it and it causes the accident.

Cause a wreck because the roads are slick and you're responsible for the damage to my property and my medical bills. Cause an avoidable wreck resulting in death or injury because you were texting or any other negligent activity...then you pay and possibly go to jail. I see that as fair.

Your rights end when you park on me or my family because you were negligent while texting. You have no right to place others in danger because of your negligent actions.

Personal responsibility...some people don't get it.

 

[hornadylnl]

He doesn't think vehicle accidents caused by negligence should be illegal.

While I personally don't believe texting should be illegal...I agree with the poster that stated enhance the consequences if you're doing it and it causes the accident.

Cause an accident because the roads are slick and you're responsible for the damage to my property and my medical bills. Cause an avoidable accident resulting in death or injury because you were texting or any other negligent activity...then you pay and possibly go to jail. I see that as fair.

Your rights end when you park on me or my family because you were negligent while texting. You have no right to place others in danger because of your negligent actions.

Personal responsibility...some people don't get it.

Hmm, sounds like you agree with most everyone arguing for property rights. You know, the ones you are calling anarchists. Your right to swing your fist only ends at the tip of my nose. Instead, we have too many people here and throughout the country who want to put straight jackets one everyone to avoid any possible punches. IE, texting bans.

 

[public servant]

You know, the ones you are calling anarchists.

No. I believe in personal responsibility. If you make bad choices...there is a cost to pay.

Unlike the State of Anarchy heralded by some here...I still believe in rules when the consequences involve others.

If however...your actions only involve consequences to yourself...knock yourself out. Many actions, however...have consequences involving others.

This is where the lawless and absence of any authority society he wishes to live in and I split.

 

[hornadylnl]

No. I believe in personal responsibility. If you make bad choices...there is a cost to pay.

Unlike the State of Anarchy heralded by some here...I still believe in rules when the consequences involve others.

If however...your actions only involve consequences to yourself...knock yourself out. Many actions, however...have consequences involving others.

This is where the lawless and absence of any authority society he wishes to live in and I split.

In this discussion, personal responsibility and property rights are one and the same. I damage your property, I have a personal responsibility to make you whole.

What I see people arguing here is personal responsibility. They are advocating that texting while driving should not be illegal. They are advocating that if you cause an accident due to negligence (texting or whatever the case may be) than you are responsible to make the other person whole. IE car repairs, medical bills, loss of income, funeral bills, etc. I'm undecided on prison time for such instances. I believe prison is necessary for cases of willful harm. We don't convict drunk drivers of murder when they kill someone.

But the continued accusations of anarchy are designed to do nothing more than shut down the debate. I believe this is what all you learned folks call a strawman.

 

[public servant]

What I see people arguing here is personal responsibility. They are advocating that texting while driving should not be illegal. They are advocating that if you cause an accident due to negligence (texting or whatever the case may be) than you are responsible to make the other person whole. IE car repairs, medical bills, loss of income, funeral bills, etc. I'm undecided on prison time for such instances. I believe prison is necessary for cases of willful harm. We don't convict drunk drivers of murder when they kill someone.

But the continued accusations of anarchy are designed to do nothing more than shut down the debate. I believe this is what all you learned folks call a strawman.

Perhaps you should actually read the post I responded to. There is nothing in there about personal responsibility. He's pissed because anyone would dare hold a negligent person responsible for their actions and suggest jail time for those negligent actions resulting in the death of another person.

The man is more concerned about someone taking away plastic bags than he is personal responsibility. He's all for responsible (in his eyes this equates a complete lack of) government but screams in horror when someone mentions holding anyone responsible for their own actions.

Strawman? I dunno. I'm not one of those educated types. In Mars Hill...we just call it calling a spade a spade.

 

[serpicostraight]

He doesn't think vehicle wrecks caused by negligence should be illegal.

While I personally don't believe texting should be illegal...I agree with the poster that stated enhance the consequences if you're doing it and it causes the accident.

Cause a wreck because the roads are slick and you're responsible for the damage to my property and my medical bills. Cause an avoidable wreck resulting in death or injury because you were texting or any other negligent activity...then you pay and possibly go to jail. I see that as fair.

Your rights end when you park on me or my family because you were negligent while texting. You have no right to place others in danger because of your negligent actions.

Personal responsibility...some people don't get it.

very good points. we have a perfect case in the courts right now that covers all this. texting, drinking, speeding, wreckless driving and probably several others. maybe the bissard thing will set the bar for how everyone should be judged.

 

[public servant]

very good points. we have a perfect case in the courts right now that covers all this. texting, drinking, speeding, wreckless driving and probably several others. maybe the bissard thing will set the bar for how everyone should be judged.

I believe anyone that, through their negligent actions, causes harm to another should be held responsible for those actions. What they happen to do for a living shouldn't matter.

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

In this discussion, personal responsibility and property rights are one and the same. I damage your property, I have a personal responsibility to make you whole.

What I see people arguing here is personal responsibility. They are advocating that texting while driving should not be illegal. They are advocating that if you cause an accident due to negligence (texting or whatever the case may be) than you are responsible to make the other person whole. IE car repairs, medical bills, loss of income, funeral bills, etc. I'm undecided on prison time for such instances. I believe prison is necessary for cases of willful harm. We don't convict drunk drivers of murder when they kill someone.

But the continued accusations of anarchy are designed to do nothing more than shut down the debate. I believe this is what all you learned folks call a strawman.

We in fact do convict drunks of manslaughter (a form of murder) if they kill someone while driving drunk and the evidence justifies it. They are also convicted of assault, criminal negligence, and a host of other crimes depending on the jurisdiction.

A straw man argument is an attempt to misrepresent an opponent's position by creating a superficial proposition and refuted it without having actually addressing the original position. Calling out anarchy when anarchy is proposed is not a strawman.