Are speed limits an infringement of our rights?

[Bunnykid68]

In 1929, the General Assembly passed a law known as the “Motor Vehicle Operators and Chauffeurs License Law,” requiring all drivers to have a license.

https://myweb.in.gov/BMV/mybmvportal/InformationFor/InformationForMedia/HistoryoftheIndianaBMV.aspx

 

[Rob377]

No need. They are aware.

50% of the autobahns have speed limits. Since enacted, they reduced the number of traffic deaths significantly. Let me know if you need sources.







I thought this thread was about "speed limits", not driving in general?

They also have MUCH stricter licensing requirements than here in the states. Getting a license costs thousands and requires a significant higher level of training. Having driven over there, I can say from experience that they're simply better drivers than here in the US.
That goes along with stricter vehicle equipment laws. You won't see a crapbox car in Germany with its muffler dragging along or bumper hanging off.

 

[PatriotPride]

No.

 

[edporch]

Speed limits per se are not an infringement on our rights.

BUT speed limits that are set artificially TOO LOW simply as a source of increased revenue for the government from "speeding" tickets, IS an ABUSE of power by the government.

 

[88GT]

IMO, it's neither a right nor a privilage. It's a necessary evil. It's something we are forced into, and then exploited. Cars are not made to be driven, their made to cost money in any and every way possible. Driving is the biggest money pit and the scam there is. There's no reason to drive a car for many short and medium distance travel in many cases. Bike's are cheaper, good for you, and no traffic jam's. There are some cases where car's are needed, but thats all part of the scam.

Why is there so much absurdity on INGO lately? This kind of stuff is just stupid.

 

[Kutnupe14]

IMO, it's neither a right nor a privilage. It's a necessary evil. It's something we are forced into, and then exploited. Cars are not made to be driven, their made to cost money in any and every way possible. Driving is the biggest money pit and the scam there is. There's no reason to drive a car for many short and medium distance travel in many cases. Bike's are cheaper, good for you, and no traffic jam's. There are some cases where car's are needed, but thats all part of the scam.

Suspended license, eh?

 

[Lucas156]

Although BumpShadow does sound crazy he does make some interesting points. What would my life be like if I rode my bicycle 30 minutes to work opposed to driving one hour to work? Of course I would have to have a different job but I would say it would improve my quality of life dramatically provided I could get an ok paying job. Right now I spend about 300 a month in gas so I could take a 300 a month reduction in pay to do that. Sorry to thread jack

 

[Bunnykid68]

LUCAS I thought that was an acceptable thread jack.

 

[turnandshoot4]

Speed limits are necessary because people are stupid.

 

[Rob377]

I like being dry, warm or cool, too much to give up a car as a commuter. I like being able to get a bunch of groceries too.

And who wants to show up to work all sweaty?

Though, if I were to do it with my 100+ mile commute each day, I would be ripped in no time!

 

[kevman65]

Just so we're clear here: just because the government imposes a licensing requirement doesn't make it a de facto privilege. It may or may not be--that is up for debate--but justifying the claim that it is with nothing more than the fact that the government requires us to ask for permission is no justification at all.

Substitute "carry a firearm" for "use the road" and I think you'll see my point.

Driving on public roads may come with limitations on their usage relative to traffic rules, but that does not make it a privilege.

Nowhere in the state Constitution nor the federal one does it state anyone has the inherent right to travel on public roads with a private form of transportation.
People trying to read into the Constitution(s) things they have done for years as an inherent right are just as bad as those who try to read out the inherent rights that are there.

In order to LEGALLY operate any motor vehicle on a public roadway one has to first pass a minimum proficiency written and driving test. Whether its administered by the state, a recognized public school driving program, or a recognized private school driving program. There is nothing about rights in any of that, it is a privilege granted once one exhibits the MINIMUM proficiency in the written and practical fields.
The state at any time can revoke your privilege to drive, excessive tickets for moving violations, reckless driving, drunk driving, overly aggressive driving.

Just because you wish it to be a right, doesn't mean it is covered anywhere as such. The only driving right you have is the ability to drive in other states on your home state license, but that in turn relies on the fact that your home state has not revoked your driving privileges.

As to the question of speed limits infringing your rights, no they do not.

Also, 88GT, people are neither absurd nor stupid because they don't agree with your version of Rights and Privileges.

 

[Rob377]

So "Constitutional" really isn't just a synonym for "stuff I like"?

 

[printcraft]

Speed limits are an infringement of my right to have fun on one of these!!

No.... you can still have one...... you just need to be careful with your spurs.

 

[kevman65]

No.... you can still have one...... you just need to be careful with your spurs.

Yup, pick your place to play, if you get caught accept you'll have to pay.

Nice scoot Print

 

[Rob377]

Yup, pick your place to play, if you get caught accept you'll have to pay.

Nice scoot Print

It'd be fun here
Putnam Park

The front straight is one of the longer ones in the area.

 

[kevman65]

It'd be fun here
Putnam Park

The front straight is one of the longer ones in the area.

Its a great place, but I will not go back there. Nothing to do with them or the way they run things, but a good buddy of mine was killed there a few years ago and that ghost still haunts me.

 

[misconfig]

If i remember correctly, driving is a "privilege" not a right. So i would say no.

Only a authoritarian government would tell you such lies.

So let me get something straight, YOU pay the taxes to build the roads, YOU buy the car yet....... Driving is a privilege?

 

[kevman65]

Only a authoritarian government would tell you such lies.

So let me get something straight, YOU pay the taxes to build the roads, YOU buy the car yet....... Driving is a privilege?

Been waiting for this example.

You pay the taxes, you built the aircraft carrier, you don't have a right to even get on it. You may be granted the privilege though.

 

[Rob377]

Its a great place, but I will not go back there. Nothing to do with them or the way they run things, but a good buddy of mine was killed there a few years ago and that ghost still haunts me.

Sorry to hear that, man.

 

[kevman65]

Sorry to hear that, man.

Thanks, but I still recommend there or ORP (aka IRP) to anyone looking for a rush and wanting to hang it on the edge on two wheels. Get it somewhere that you have a better chance if you hit the hard top.