Fine, how exactly does traveling at a high rate of speed infringe on the rights of others?
And who gets to be the final arbiter of the standard of safety/responsibility? You? Me? .Gov?
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Are speed limits an infringement of our rights?
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Fine, how exactly does traveling at a high rate of speed infringe on the rights of others?
And who gets to be the final arbiter of the standard of safety/responsibility? You? Me? .Gov?
+1 the 1st reply sums it up completely........so this should be the shortest debate in history
Why do we accept the notion that driving is a privilege? Speed limits inhibit my right to the pursuit of happiness.
I really think it would be nice if we could count on logic, from ourselves and our fellow motorists. I'm sure it would be a nightmare. I can't figure how speed limits are established. Nearby is a county road that has had the speed limit increased to 55 mph and it is narrow and has tons of driveways and blind dips. While a lot of the new 4 lane roads that are level and have limited access will limit speed to 35.
How many people are capable of driving competantly at high speeds? How many people are capable of having the reaction time to push a pedal while paying attention to their surroundings?
I just googled and found multiple sources that state there are around 30,000-35,000 fatal car accidents per year. Of those about 17% are pedestrians, do they have no rights when people are driving out of control?
The day and hours that people are most likely to speed are Saturday and Sunday between midnight and 4 A.M. according to one study, and the likelihood of a fatal car crash is almost triple of that during morning rush hour to work. That's interesting.
There are already laws in place that we must abide by, so I'd say we already know who the arbiter is.
Also I'd like to add, I'm not wikipedia'ing information, I'm pulling it straight from the NHTSA - National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. www.nhtsa.gov
I just googled and found multiple sources that state there are around 30,000-35,000 fatal car accidents per year. Of those about 17% are pedestrians, do they have no rights when people are driving out of control?
The day and hours that people are most likely to speed are Saturday and Sunday between midnight and 4 A.M. according to one study, and the likelihood of a fatal car crash is almost triple of that during morning rush hour to work. That's interesting.
There are already laws in place that we must abide by, so I'd say we already know who the arbiter is.
Also I'd like to add, I'm not wikipedia'ing information, I'm pulling it straight from the NHTSA - National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. www.nhtsa.gov
Why do we accept the notion that driving is a privilege? Speed limits inhibit my right to the pursuit of happiness.
+1. Why do the same people who say firearms ownership is a "right" so readily accept the notion that driving is a "privilege"? If it is not "spelled out", how do we decide which freedoms are rights and which are privileges? And, WHO decides? Is land ownership a right, is abortion a right, is health care a right, is education a right, etc, or are they privileges bestowed upon us by the government?
Yes.
I agree. While some speed limits may be ridiculous, they are a necessary evil to help keep the peace. (Even though they are abused to generate revenue) Follow the speed limit, and they can't get into your pockets......quite as much.Why do we accept the notion that driving is a privilege? Speed limits inhibit my right to the pursuit of happiness.
...and when you are flying around 465, switching lanes without turn signals, cutting people off, and run into someone and kill them... Then guess what, you've ended that person's right to pursue happiness.
Technically speed wasn't the attributing factor, as speed itself doesn't actually kill. I think that's what some of the people here are going for as to try and make other people look silly. However it is one of the factors that cause people to lose control, overcorrect, etc,. that DO cause accidents.
like was mentioned in the thread earlier, the biggest contributing factor to accidents (as far as speed is concerned) is the differences in speed at which people drive, i.e. flying up on the rear of someone who is driving 10mph below the posted limit while doing 10-15 above.
now think about the elderly population in this country that lack the reaction times to drive at such high rates of speed, should we infringe upon their rights or privileges to move about freely because some want drive faster? and who would make the determination that you are now too old to drive and therefore have lost that privilege (or right)?
just food for thought
BTW, I grew riding motorcycles...............so i love to speed
and old people on the road scare me!
now think about the elderly population in this country that lack the reaction times to drive at such high rates of speed, should we infringe upon their rights or privileges to move about freely because some want drive faster? and who would make the determination that you are now too old to drive and therefore have lost that privilege (or right)?
just food for thought
BTW, I grew riding motorcycles...............so i love to speed
and old people on the road scare me!
Then stay out of my way!
Seriously, you've made a bunch of incorrect assumptions. Do you always get your excercise by jumping to conclusions? Then stay out of my way!
Speed wouldn't be the attributing factor? OK then. YOU are SPEEDING, someone switches lanes and gets in front of you. YOU rear end them and KILL them. That better?
That isn't how it would work. The Speed didn't kill them, the crash killed them. The lack of applying the brakes in time killed them. I'm not arguing against you, but do you see what I'm saying? I have a feeling some people are basing their argument on this technicality.
Sounds like an unsafe lane change to me.
Do you always get your excercise by jumping to conclusions?
I get my exercise lots of ways. Thanks.
Really? OK. How's that? Now that person can't switch lanes to pass another vehicle?
Who's making assumptions now?
Well, let me explain this to you. To change lanes SAFELY AND LEGALLY, it is incumbent upon YOU to make sure there is an opening! It isn't that difficult a concept!
