Atlanta- Horde of teens attack rob MARTA passengers

[goinggreyfast]

It takes a village to raise an idiot--or two dozen of them. Where were the armed citizens and LEO's? Just askin... Yet another case to support our 2nd Amendment rights, huh?

But like the thread about the 12 year old who stole a gun and attempted to rob a grocery store, could you take these cute little tikes down?

Horde of teens attack, rob MARTA passengers  | ajc.com

 

[printcraft]

So this is a promo piece for high capacity magazines?

 

[dom1104]

What does the second amendment have to do with this story at all?

Unless the driver of the train, the person being attacked was armed, what difference does it make if you were on that train armed or not?

Being armed doesnt make you a cop.

 

[eldirector]

What does the second amendment have to do with this story at all?

Unless the driver of the train, the person being attacked was armed, what difference does it make if you were on that train armed or not?

Being armed doesnt make you a cop.

So, you would kick back and watch the fun?

 

[dom1104]

So, you would kick back and watch the fun?

You can intervene without involving gunplay, people tend to forget that on gun forums.

And yes, I dont open fire when I see someone else getting a beating.... Do you?

The last fight between two other people that I got in the middle of, I was armed, but did I start shooting at people? HELL NO. I used ... wait for it......its a shocker....

My hands.

It.. worries me that this forum is full of people who would. But I guess they would end up in jail so that takes them out of the pool so to speak.

 

[bobzilla]

You can intervene without involving gunplay, people tend to forget that on gun forums.

And yes, I dont open fire when I see someone else getting a beating.... Do you?

What is wrong with you? You don't deserve to carry a gun if you're not willing to mow down angry teens.

 

[jsharmon7]

You can intervene without involving gunplay, people tend to forget that on gun forums.

And yes, I dont open fire when I see someone else getting a beating.... Do you?

The last fight between two other people that I got in the middle of, I was armed, but did I start shooting at people? HELL NO. I used ... wait for it......its a shocker....

My hands.

It.. worries me that this forum is full of people who would. But I guess they would end up in jail so that takes them out of the pool so to speak.

But but but wouldn't you be in fear of serious bodily injury?? Why, just think of all the things that could potentially happen!!

 

[Relatively Ninja]

I think this article raises some interesting questions. Could you (legally) draw your gun if you were involved in this attack? You have to be in fear of your life if you draw your weapon, but thats not such an easy determination to make. In the heat of the moment I'm sure you'll know right away whether you should draw or not. Unfortunately, after everything is over you could be taken to court by the parents of one of those hoodlums and have to defend your actions.

I would say if two dozen people (even if they're just teenagers) boarded the train I was on, threw a soda can at my face all while chanting gang acronyms then you have a valid reason to draw. Why do I say this? Disparity of force. I'm 6'2" and I know some martial arts. If one or two small unarmed teenagers approached me and tried to mug me it would be hard to justify drawing a weapon because I'm larger and more trained than the person assaulting me. However, as the number of attackers grows, my size and training become less and less capable of protecting my well being.

If I was the one getting attacked I would probably draw my weapon for the reasons stated above. "Officer there were at least 20 of them, there's no way I could have defended myself with just my hands!"

If I were on the train, but not being attacked, I would not have drawn my weapon. I don't honestly know if I would have intervened though. It's very noble to help a stranger in need, but what if one of the little punks pulls a knife when I'm dealing with his buddy and I get stabbed in the kidney 16 times before I can turn around? Thats not worth it, just to help some guy get his wallet back. I would probably have to see them threaten his life before I would intervene. It's one thing to watch somebody get mugged, but another thing entirely to see them beaten to death in front of you.

 

[mrjarrell]

The point is moot. As I recall, the Atlanta MARTA system is a victim disarmament zone and you are not allowed to legally carry a firearm on their transit system. You would be stuck with using your hands and feet if you were caught in that situation. That said I would hope folks would step up and help out if others were in need. I'd hate to let something like that slide.

 

[indytechnerd]

Quoting the 1st sentence of the article...

Roughly two dozen teens, chanting the name of a well-known Atlanta gang

You can intervene without involving gunplay, people tend to forget that on gun forums.

And yes, I dont open fire when I see someone else getting a beating.... Do you?

The last fight between two other people that I got in the middle of, I was armed, but did I start shooting at people? HELL NO. I used ... wait for it......its a shocker....

My hands.

It.. worries me that this forum is full of people who would. But I guess they would end up in jail so that takes them out of the pool so to speak.

dom1104, I have to call on your post.This is a far different scenario than the one(1) 12yr old girl from the other thread. No way in hell I'm going hand-to-hand here, I'm not Jet Li. I'm drawing my weapon. If they advance on me, one of them (or more) is getting popped, particularly if I've already witnessed one of them assault another person.
*all emphasis added by me.

 

[dom1104]

Quoting the 1st sentence of the article...



dom1104, I have to call on your post.This is a far different scenario than the one(1) 12yr old girl from the other thread. No way in hell I'm going hand-to-hand here, I'm not Jet Li. I'm drawing my weapon. If they advance on me, one of them (or more) is getting popped, particularly if I've already witnessed one of them assault another person.
*all emphasis added by me.

I know nothing about some 12yr old girl thread. so... cant speak to that.

If you open fire from the back of the bus on however many dozen teenagers who are not assaulting YOU, no matter who they are clobbering with a pop can, you are in trouble with the law.

When you are carrying a gun, the gun is not the answer to every problem you face.

You are not a "Gun with a man attached to it" you are a man with a gun. You can solve problems, without pulling triggers.

So many on this forum are spoiling for a gunfight, just ready to open fire, without realizing that so many of lifes violent issues can be handled with the gun staying in your holster.

It might be interesting to note, that the forum this is posted in says "Carry Issues and Self Defense" not "Ammunition Capacity Issues and Train Defense".

 

[jbombelli]

We're all responsible for our own defense. If someone isn't my family or my friend, I'm not involving myself in their fight. I've had that desire weaned out of me by the many police officers, internet lawyers, and others over the years who told me to just call the police and let them handle it otherwise I would probably go to jail.

So if someone else hasn't availed himself of the tools needed to protect himself, that's not my problem.

If those kids start coming my way, then we have a whole different situation. I hate to have to be like this, but I finally got sick of being denigrated over the years for expressing that I would get in there and mix it up with the bad guys. So **** it. Sucks to be unarmed, doesn't it?

 

[indytechnerd]

Here is the 12yr old girl thread. - https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/carry_issues_and_self_defense/145520-12_year_old_girl_holds_up_michigan_grocery_store.html

To reiterate my own post...

No way in hell I'm going hand-to-hand here, I'm not Jet Li. I'm drawing my weapon. If they advance on me, one of them (or more) is getting popped, particularly if I've already witnessed one of them assault another person.

I'm not Jet Li, and I'm not Charles Bronson, either. Having said that, witnessing an assault by 15 people, then having those people turn towards me rings the 'imminent danger' bell in my head. You're right, this is not the "Train Defense" forum, and I'm not defending the train, I'm defending myself and anyone behind me. (I guess that might make me Bernie Goetz, though)

 

[dom1104]

Here is the 12yr old girl thread. - https://www.indianagunowners.com/forums/carry_issues_and_self_defense/145520-12_year_old_girl_holds_up_michigan_grocery_store.html

To reiterate my own post...

I'm not Jet Li, and I'm not Charles Bronson, either. Having said that, witnessing an assault by 15 people, then having those people turn towards me rings the 'imminent danger' bell in my head. You're right, this is not the "Train Defense" forum, and I'm not defending the train, I'm defending myself and anyone behind me. (I guess that might make me Bernie Goetz, though)

I think we actually agree on everything then. But when I say "use hands" I dont mean karate-chopping 12 people like some kind of idiot, I mean to "open a window, open the door at the rear of the train" and let yourself and the other people out.

I am fully with you defending yourself, I am fully AGAINST whipping your pistol out and opening fire on a gang assaulting the driver.

 

[ATF Consumer]

Reminds me of this music video by Justice...

WARNING!!! A little violent!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU7bFpPJiww

 

[Bond 281]

I am fully with you defending yourself, I am fully AGAINST whipping your pistol out and opening fire on a gang assaulting the driver.

Why? Gangs beat people to death pretty regularly.

 

[thompal]

It takes a village to raise an idiot--or two dozen of them. Where were the armed citizens and LEO's? Just askin... Yet another case to support our 2nd Amendment rights, huh?

No 2nd Amendment issue here at all, unless the pink-clad gang members were government agents.

No, this is a simple issue of self-defense. The ability to defend your own life is so fundamental that it SHOULD be well beyond the grasp of anyone who wishes you harm. After all, only someone who wishes you dead would tell you that you can't defend your life, right?

I figure that if someone does NOT want you dead, then they would support your right as a human to defend your life.

And if they just plain don't care about you, but don't plan on harming you, then they just won't care whether you defend yourself or not.

So, only someone who wants you dead wants to prevent you from defending yourself.

 

[TopDog]

You can intervene without involving gunplay, people tend to forget that on gun forums.

And yes, I dont open fire when I see someone else getting a beating.... Do you?

The last fight between two other people that I got in the middle of, I was armed, but did I start shooting at people? HELL NO. I used ... wait for it......its a shocker....

My hands.

It.. worries me that this forum is full of people who would. But I guess they would end up in jail so that takes them out of the pool so to speak.

Two people? These people were attacked by a gang.

Quote from article: "Roughly two dozen teens, chanting the name of a well-known Atlanta gang"

Quote from article: “There was blood everywhere, people were hollering and screaming,” a witness told Channel 2 Action News. “We were intimidated. People were terrified. People were trying to run. But there was nowhere to run.

This sounds like a justifiable use of firearms to me. It distrubs me that people are not proportionality alarmed at this kind of gang violence.

 

[thompal]

I would say if two dozen people (even if they're just teenagers)

Did you read the article? The some of these "teenagers" were in their 20s'.

They were "teenagers" in the same sense that the Handgun Control people claim that a certain number of "children" are killed by handgun violence each year, and fail to mention that their definition of "child" goes to age 24, and a good percentage of the "children" they aim to protect are gang members 18-24 years old.

Now I don't know about you, but I'm 53. If no weapons were involved, there would be no "fair fight" between me and ONE 18-24 year old gang member. I'd probably be dead, plain and simple, unless I got very very lucky. If I were faced with TWENTY FOUR gang members, I don't see an option. These people couldn't even run away, they couldn't hide. The possibility that they may hold off the gang members until a door FINALLY MIGHT open is a slim chance, but I would not like to bet MY life, or that of my family on "a slim chance."

 

[LEaSH]

...unless you're trained to kick ...like I am.