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If you are Under 21 be aware of this new Interpretation by ATF
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Silencers Have NEVER Been Illegal !
No, it's actually been law for a long time, they are just now deciding to enforce it.
I read an article the other day on NSSF that said the new 4473s weren't going to be in effect until January since Nov. 15 is smack dab in the middle of hunting season.
I'll see if I can locate it again.
Located:
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/110408openletter-ffl.pdf
Says Jan. 15, 2009.
I'll see if I can locate it again.
Located:
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/110408openletter-ffl.pdf
Says Jan. 15, 2009.
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Ref; FFL cannot sell handguns to under 21 customers
I pasted the notice I was sent via email from the ATF this week. Question 18 they refer to states in the instructions " 18 USC Section 922 (b) (1) makes it unlawful for a licensee to sell any firearm other than a shotgun or rifle to any person under the age of 21." "since a frame or receiver for a firearm, to include one that can only be made into a long gun, is a firearm other than a shotgun or rifle, it cannot be transferred to anyone under the age of 21." Maybe Karl can correct me if I am wrong but I don't think this affects Indiana residents doing personal sales or transfers to another Indiana resident. Check with the ATF if in doubt.
To: All E-Check UsersThe Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Form 4473 (Firearms Transaction Record Part I, Over-the-Counter) has been revised by the ATF. You may have already received these forms. The ATF’s instructions have changed, and you must begin using the new forms no later than January 15, 2008.One of the important changes to the ATF 4473 Form is the inclusion of the option of “Other Firearm” in question 18. Other Firearm will be used for frames, receivers, and other firearms that are not either handguns or long guns (rifles or shotguns), such as firearms having a pistol grip that expels a shotgun shell. Until the NICS E-Check screen is modified, if you have a transaction involving one of these firearms, select the option of “Both” for the type of firearm. If “Both” is not available to you, please contact the NICS Customer Service for current information. You may refer to Section A under the Notices, Instructions and Definitions on the ATF 4473 Form if you need further clarification, or access the link provided below:ATF Online - Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and ExplosivesAs always, the NICS Section continually strives to meet the needs and provide the best customer service possible. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact the NICS E-Check Customer Service at 1-877-444-6427, option 3, or by e-mail to echeck@leo.gov. Thank you for using the NICS E-Check.
I pasted the notice I was sent via email from the ATF this week. Question 18 they refer to states in the instructions " 18 USC Section 922 (b) (1) makes it unlawful for a licensee to sell any firearm other than a shotgun or rifle to any person under the age of 21." "since a frame or receiver for a firearm, to include one that can only be made into a long gun, is a firearm other than a shotgun or rifle, it cannot be transferred to anyone under the age of 21." Maybe Karl can correct me if I am wrong but I don't think this affects Indiana residents doing personal sales or transfers to another Indiana resident. Check with the ATF if in doubt.
To: All E-Check UsersThe Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Form 4473 (Firearms Transaction Record Part I, Over-the-Counter) has been revised by the ATF. You may have already received these forms. The ATF’s instructions have changed, and you must begin using the new forms no later than January 15, 2008.One of the important changes to the ATF 4473 Form is the inclusion of the option of “Other Firearm” in question 18. Other Firearm will be used for frames, receivers, and other firearms that are not either handguns or long guns (rifles or shotguns), such as firearms having a pistol grip that expels a shotgun shell. Until the NICS E-Check screen is modified, if you have a transaction involving one of these firearms, select the option of “Both” for the type of firearm. If “Both” is not available to you, please contact the NICS Customer Service for current information. You may refer to Section A under the Notices, Instructions and Definitions on the ATF 4473 Form if you need further clarification, or access the link provided below:ATF Online - Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and ExplosivesAs always, the NICS Section continually strives to meet the needs and provide the best customer service possible. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact the NICS E-Check Customer Service at 1-877-444-6427, option 3, or by e-mail to echeck@leo.gov. Thank you for using the NICS E-Check.
When i was in PSS the other day bob said that this is not true. I asked about lowers and he said that you just have to be 18 for a rifle lower and 21 for a pistol lower.
why are you always ******** on people michiana? I have done the same as that guy.
why are you always ******** on people michiana? I have done the same as that guy.
Making the statement "I guess I will have to find someone else to buy for me" is saying you want to do an illegal act or did I read it wrong. I am not crapping on you I am stunned someone would make that statement in writing on a public forum. I suggest you go back and remove it right away as obviously it was a mistake. The new law is posted on this thread as it came to the FFL's from the BATF. If someone wants to go ahead and sell to someone under the limit that is their choice.
Dick
I don't think that he trying to cause anyone grief he is just trying to keep people out of trouble.
If you buy a gun for someone that can't legally buy one you are guilty of a straw purchace.
You go to PITA prison for that.
