I Don't Get It....am I stupid!!??

[GREEN607]

What's up with people who advertise a long gun (rifle) for sale in our INGO classifieds.......who demand to see a LTCH at the time of the sale?

I own a few handguns, and I've taken some of them to the range to shoot targets. But I have never felt the need to 'carry' in public, as a general rule, and thus, I have never applied for a LTCH. When I lived in Missouri, you could open carry with no LTCH; no permit, etc. I carried a few times there, when actually hunting with a revolver...... but still didn't carry when out and about for 'normal' business and so on.

What about the practice of asking for a relatively current LE 'background check' document? Does anyone here do that? Seems to me like one of those would be just as relevant/legitimate.... and I always have such a document, and am, in fact, bonded (for employment purposes).

I would think a lot of people would get turned off, even pissed off, when there's a gun they want to buy..... but the seller demands to see a LTCH. Am I wrong?

 

[lovemachine]

My first guess is to make sure the buyer isn't a felon.

 

[LPMan59]

the LTCH is used as a method of making sure you aren't a felon, which it really doesn't. It just makes the seller feel better.

 

[indykid]

Usually the seller will ask to see a LTCH to verify the answer to the question that a seller virtually has to ask by law, are you legal to own a firearm?

 

[indykid]

Wow, can't type fast enough!!!

 

[zoglog]

Thats the second great priced 10/22 that ive missed!!!! grr I need another 10/22!

As the others have said, its not to **** people off. IN ID is a must tho.

 

[duffman0286]

any time i buy for sell i require to see it, along with drivers, and bill of sale if its a C&R weapon i must have a copy of theirs and they get a copy of mine

 

[HandK]

It is absolutely the best thing you can do to make sure that your not selling to a felon!! If a buyer had a problem with showing ID I wouldn't go through with the sale! no single sale is worth running that risk for me!

 

[GREEN607]

Well, I'm certainly not a felon. But I have never seen the need for a LTCH.

Edited to add: I guess I've always just felt that the LTCH was another ridiculous "tax" and purely a source of revenue for the clowns in our state legislature......who don't even have enough sense to pass laws to allow hunting deer in Indiana, with a .270 Wnchester or .308 cal. rifle.......

 

[alpha0486]

I would have no problem showing my LTCH. I recognize that it would make the seller feel more comfortable with the sale. While it is not completely foolproof, it does at a measure of attempting to verify that the purchaser is not a felon.

 

[GREEN607]

I would have no problem showing my LTCH. I recognize that it would make the seller feel more comfortable with the sale. While it is not completely foolproof, it does at a measure of attempting to verify that the purchaser is not a felon.

OK..... I agree. But what if you simply don't have one? What about those avid hunters who don't own, or ever plan on owning a handgun.... but want to buy another rifle?


If every seller of a gun in Indiana is going to start requiring a LTCH to complete the sale.....how does that make us any better/different than Illinois, where everyone who owns any type firearm, has to buy (and have on their person, at all times) a FOID (Firearms Owners Identification card)???

 

[lovemachine]

OK..... I agree. But what if you simply don't have one? What about those avid hunters who don't own, or ever plan on owning a handgun.... but want to buy another rifle?

Then buy from someone else who doesn't require to see a LTCH?

 

[duffman0286]

OK..... I agree. But what if you simply don't have one? What about those avid hunters who don't own, or ever plan on owning a handgun.... but want to buy another rifle?

you can always buy from dealers/do ffl transfers, or buy at gunshows... but even if you dont think your gonna get into handguns a permit is still a good investment plus you can get your lifetime permit (something they probly will do away with soon)

 

[WebSnyper]

What's up with people who advertise a long gun (rifle) for sale in our INGO classifieds.......who demand to see a LTCH at the time of the sale? Like this current ad, here-

WTS: Ruger 10/22 blued/wood, NEW - INGunOwners



I would think a lot of people would get turned off, even pissed off, when there's a gun they want to buy..... but the seller demands to see a LTCH. Am I wrong?

Doesn't matter. Seller makes the rules in this case. If someone doesn't like it, they take their money elsewhere. That's how capitalism works. I see no issue with it. Don't like it, don't buy it.

 

[hooky]

Seeing how that rifle went in about 15 minutes, I don't think your principled stand about not doing business with someone asking for an LTCH is gonna have much of an impact.

I can see where it's frustrating though.

 

[ralphb72]

I don't mind showing my LTCH and DL, BUT, I don't necessarily want it recorded, AND I would like to know if that is a requirement before hand. Last gun I brought, the guy asked to see the LTCH, but had not let me know that ahead of time. I showed it to him, but he looked at it and gave it right back.

If you don't have one, but have those other documents, you could simply ask the seller if the document you have would be sufficient. If I were selling a gun and you said you had other paperwork that would assure me you are an Indiana resident AND a proper person, but no LTCh, I would probably accept it.

I agree, there should not be an LTCH requirement, I think the US and State Constitutions should be enough, but the requirement is there so I have a pink paper. At least it is good for life not renewable every 4 years, so that is something.

As long as the requirements are agreed upon by BOTH parties in advance, I say more power to you both.

 

[shooter521]

But, I still feel it's an insult to require to see an LTCH from someone wanting to purchase your rifle.

Then don't buy it.

My sale; I get to set the parameters. The gentleman I'm delivering the rifle to in a couple days obviously wasn't insulted.

 

[dross]

A guy selling can require anything he likes. How can he insult someone by setting conditions for a sale?

A guy buying may buy or not buy for any reason he likes.

That said, the law only requires you to not knowingly sell to a felon. It would be up to the courts to prove that. Type up a bill of sale, write down the guy's drivers license number and have them sign a sentence that says, I affirm I'm not a felon.

If you knowingly sell to a felon with an LTCH, you're still in violation of the law.

Or do it however you want. It's your gun.

 

[GREEN607]

Then don't buy it.

My sale; I get to set the parameters. The gentleman I'm delivering the rifle to in a couple days obviously wasn't insulted.

I wasn't trying to "single you or your ad out". It's just the latest of many ads I've seen here on INGO this year, requiring a LTCH in the purchase of a rifle.

If I offended you by using your ad as an example, I apologize.

 

[tradertator]

It's a free market. If you don't like the sellers conditions of the sale, go elsewhere. If you decide to sell a firearm privately down the road, set whatever conditions you want.