Right to work?

[flagtag]

There was a time when the place where I work was more like "family". No union was needed. We got regular raises, benefits, etc. THEN a UK company bought the business and everything changed. The employees were treated like trash, "games" were played, etc.

So, it has a lot more to do with the people who own/run a company than some outside influences in many cases. Certainly in our workplace.

At first the union was ok. Then, they moved our union hall to another town (more employees at the work location) and we were forgotten. (Except for dues, of course. It's all about the money) We weren't representated and the one person who tried to fight for us was "let go" to make room for another "promotion". No representation since.

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

You are unrelentingly blinded by your inability to accept the fact that people in the union are there because they want to be.

Do the business owners want the unions there?

Unions do not ask for a free lunch.

No, they get your dues, money out of your pocket. Actually, scratch that. It is money out of the pockets of your company's consumers. What value does your union add to your products?

For you to so arrogantly state that they do is a testament to your ignorance. Constant misguided under informed statements from you show the true crippling blindness of today's world.

I understand the laws of economics quite well, and judging by the quality of 88s post in the past, so does she.

Educate me. Is your union one that trains its members to stay current on your craft or a gang of thugs that will shut a company down because you don't think you're getting your fair share?

Perhaps you should read a few theory's about right to work as a whole and leave your feelings for the unions out of it.

Ditto

Hell read a few reports on RTW states economy. Maybe read about indianas economy before you falsely accuse the union which is comprised of me and thousands of other hoosiers just like you.

Not like me. I would never entrust my life or my family's well being with a group of people that have no real interest in my success. I would also never suppose to tell my employer what they are going to do and then hold my breath until I turn blue or they capitulate.

It was our choice to unite and it will be our choice to disband.

Or behind door number three: Watch your jobs get shipped to a different state or overseas where inmates don't run the asylum.

When that happens, please don't have the audacity to whine because there are no jobs left.

How can you not see the abuse on the horizon?

Because the enemy is already before me.

It would seem no one realizes Indiana has been a RTW state twice alread, and twice it has been stripped from practice. This is because it is time tested to weaken what it was supposed to cure.

I think it probably had more to do with an influx of corrupt money to Democrat election coffers which turned the table and then a Democratic government doing the bidding of its pimp and master. That's just me.

Here is something to think about: an ingo member equated raising his neighbors property value and his neighbor having to pay him. To right to work

That made no sense whatsoever. You want a do over?

Perhaps you bought a new gun reloaded ammo for it tricked it out to the max. I should be able to walk in take it from you use it when it benefits me?

Isn't that exactly what unions do to their companies every time the go on strike?

 

[jeremy]

Sorry. I don't attend pity parties.

Me either.
One of the main reasons I don't Work Union Jobs as well...

 

[45fan]

Does your union have the power to shut job a company's production, job site or otherwise interfere with the owner's right to their property?

The only way my union could shut down a companies production would be if there were a violation to a contract that both sides agreed to, and any other means of arbitration have failed. The companies that I deal with are not forced into signing agreements with any union, they do so because it is profitable for them to do so. When it is no longer profitable to employ union skilled trades, the company will either go under, or opt to not sign another agreement with the union(s) that they deal with.

I can understand much of the distaste for unions on this board, as there have been instances that I agree wholeheartedly with what is said. The issue I have is that all unions tend to be thrown into one lot, and all are put down for the fault of the few. Just because there are drunks and criminals that were a police uniform does not mean they are all that way.

I do agree, there are some union organizations that are little more than thinly disguised criminal organizations, that profit from trying to manipulate companies, and protect non productive workers from well deserved reprimand. My union affords me no such protection, I remain productive to the company I am working for, or I get replaced. I cant ask for anything more fair than that.

 

[tlkidd]

Right to work-or not.

My big problem with being required to pay dues to the union is they give part of my money to political candidates whose positions I may not agree with. I can get the portion of my dues back at the end of the year that would have been spent on political contributions but I have to withdraw from the union but I have to pay a maintenance fee to the union to maintain my seniority. That maintenence fee just happens to be the same amount as my regular dues. Don't misunderstand, I belong to a union and have no desire to withdraw. I believe that big business brought most of this on themselves. They did exploit workers and would continue to do so if they could. What keeps business at bay these days is the fear of the workforce organizing.

 

[localone]

Im not to familiar with Factory unions but does anyone acutally think if the unions left the pay for the employees would stay the same? I think they would lower the pay of there workers increase there profits and call it a day...I recall the UAW taking paycuts to the automakers and the prices of the new vehicles rising..GREED is all it is

 

[RockofStrength]

Im not to familiar with Factory unions but does anyone acutally think if the unions left the pay for the employees would stay the same? I think they would lower the pay of there workers increase there profits and call it a day...I recall the UAW taking paycuts to the automakers and the prices of the new vehicles rising..GREED is all it is

But the workers wanting higher wages are apparently just good people who want to make more money so that they can spend it on world peace or something? Short of needing money to pay for the most basic life sustaining requirements why is forcing higher wages not greed on the part of the union members?

 

[KLB]

Im not to familiar with Factory unions but does anyone acutally think if the unions left the pay for the employees would stay the same? I think they would lower the pay of there workers increase there profits and call it a day...I recall the UAW taking paycuts to the automakers and the prices of the new vehicles rising..GREED is all it is

The company I works for is all non-union. They have about 45 plants and mines nationwide.
They pay so poorly that they have a lot of people that have worked for them for over 30 years.
We have VPs that started on the line at a plant.
The line workers get the same benefits that the people at the HQ do.
Safety is the number 1 priority, even without unions forcing them to make safe work environments.

It is not necessary to have a union to get paid a fair wage, nor to have a safe workplace.

 

[flagtag]

But the workers wanting higher wages are apparently just good people who want to make more money so that they can spend it on world peace or something? Short of needing money to pay for the most basic life sustaining requirements why is forcing higher wages not greed on the part of the union members?

The higher the wage, the higher percentage goes to the union. (Example: 2 1/2 X the hourly wage is the basis for the monthly dues amount.)

 

[Blackhawk2001]

My total cost to the company I believe to be 46$ ish an hour. Out of that my take home is 33.25/hr. where does that money go? To 2 pentions an IRA account, my health insurance, a continued education fund for the new members, and a few small projects we voted in. Leaving my employer 80/hr after its all said and done. Without matching a 401k without holding health insurance fOr me, without sending me to school to better myself,

Do you have any idea what is the total cost to the company of your compensation, including health insurance premiums and the cost of vacation, sick days, etc.? I'll bet it's considerably more than $33.25/hr or even the $46/hr you're estimating. In fact, for most companies, personnel costs represent the majority of the business expenses of that company.

 

[localone]

As the members argue over the rtw check this out ...alittle of whats going on behing our backs http://www.youtube.com/embed/fcPnDigSu2M

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Im not to familiar with Factory unions but does anyone acutally think if the unions left the pay for the employees would stay the same? I think they would lower the pay of there workers increase there profits and call it a day...I recall the UAW taking paycuts to the automakers and the prices of the new vehicles rising..GREED is all it is

The price of new vehicles is rising, among other reasons, because of government safety and mileage mandates. And while UAW wages may be going down, the disastrous benefit/retirement packages they forced on the automakers are also contributing to the rising cost of making automobiles.

And never, never, never forget that the purpose of a business is to make a profit for its investors. Without investors -say if the fleeced Chrysler and GM bond-holders who got screwed in the government bailout at the expense of the UAW decided not to invest any more money in those two corporations - there would be no money to buy equipment, parts, repair the plants OR PAY THE WORKERS!!!

Your average rank-and-file UAW employee has no more concept of what it takes to run a major corporation at a profit than a third-grader (not even a fifth-grader) and will believe any garbage shoveled at them by their union reps - who are mainly concerned with THEIR pay and keeping their union positions. Don't talk about greedy corporations without looking at the UAW and similar unions like the Steel Workers and Teamsters and Longshoremen.

 

[flagtag]

Not all companies offer benefits. Example: our "insurance" is equal to one week pay - for nothing more than what is considered a "co-pay". (It only pays 10% of the bill. Certainly not worth a couple hundred $s a month!)
The company is too cheap to offer anything more substantial. (Like I said before - a United Kingdom owned company)
Oh, for the "good old days"!

 

[88GT]

Im not to familiar with Factory unions but does anyone acutally think if the unions left the pay for the employees would stay the same? I think they would lower the pay of there workers increase there profits and call it a day...I recall the UAW taking paycuts to the automakers and the prices of the new vehicles rising..GREED is all it is

Damn skippy they would lower the wage because the wage is artificially inflated due to coercive influence from the unions. Unions are a violation of the free market because they introduce the factor of coercion rendering one party unable to negotiate in his best interest without fear of reprisal.

 

[dross]

Not all companies offer benefits. Example: our "insurance" is equal to one week pay - for nothing more than what is considered a "co-pay". (It only pays 10% of the bill. Certainly not worth a couple hundred $s a month!)
The company is too cheap to offer anything more substantial. (Like I said before - a United Kingdom owned company)
Oh, for the "good old days"!

If it's not worth the money, I'm assuming you can find other insurance that offers better coverage for the same money?

 

[dross]

I have an idea. I'd like to know what all you union guys think about it.

Since the labor force can all join a union and work out deals with different companies based on a central organization, what do you guys think about all the business owners who hire the same kinds of employees joining together and bargaining collectively with the union?

So all the construction companies could form an organization or all the auto companies, and their representatives could bargain with labor's representatives. Just as all the employees are represented by one entitity, all the employers could be represented by one entity.

Wouldn't that be fair?

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

Im not to familiar with Factory unions but does anyone acutally think if the unions left the pay for the employees would stay the same? I think they would lower the pay of there workers increase there profits and call it a day...I recall the UAW taking paycuts to the automakers and the prices of the new vehicles rising..GREED is all it is

The purpose of business is to reward capital investment. Calling it greed demonstrates not only a total lack of understanding of the purpose of business but an unreasonable level of jealousy.

Not all companies offer benefits. Example: our "insurance" is equal to one week pay - for nothing more than what is considered a "co-pay". (It only pays 10% of the bill. Certainly not worth a couple hundred $s a month!)
The company is too cheap to offer anything more substantial. (Like I said before - a United Kingdom owned company)
Oh, for the "good old days"!

If it sucks so bad why do you work there?

As to the cheap thing, see my previous comment.

I have an idea. I'd like to know what all you union guys think about it.

Since the labor force can all join a union and work out deals with different companies based on a central organization, what do you guys think about all the business owners who hire the same kinds of employees joining together and bargaining collectively with the union?

So all the construction companies could form an organization or all the auto companies, and their representatives could bargain with labor's representatives. Just as all the employees are represented by one entitity, all the employers could be represented by one entity.

Wouldn't that be fair?

When unions do it it's called looking out for the little guy and it is revered. When business does it it's call colluding to set market prices for a product and that's illegal.

Bet you get no takers.

 

[John Galt]

I have an idea. I'd like to know what all you union guys think about it.

Since the labor force can all join a union and work out deals with different companies based on a central organization, what do you guys think about all the business owners who hire the same kinds of employees joining together and bargaining collectively with the union?

So all the construction companies could form an organization or all the auto companies, and their representatives could bargain with labor's representatives. Just as all the employees are represented by one entitity, all the employers could be represented by one entity.

Wouldn't that be fair?

Kind of like a UAS - United Auto Sellers. They all collaborate and determine what they're going to sell their product for. What if this were to be extended to all producers, wouldn't that be price fixing?

 

[dross]

Kind of like a UAS - United Auto Sellers. They all collaborate and determine what they're going to sell their product for. What if this were to be extended to all producers, wouldn't that be price fixing?

It must not be. If it was, surely the unions wouldn't be allowed to do it.

 

[eatsnopaste]

never been in a union. you shouldn't be made to join a union or pay dues if you are working in a union shop. However if you decide NOT to pay dues then you should have to negotiate your own wage scale and benefits and not receive the union package. If this was so, a very small few might get a better deal but I would guess than the vast majority would be making less than the union members and of course would have no recourse over any work regulations that the company forced on the employees. Think they won't cut corners to pay their stock holders...think again. think they won't skirt safety rules to make a shipment?...think again. Think they won't lay you off so they can hire a new guy at half pay? think again.