New Report on Police Militarization via The Daily Beast

[jeremy]

Technically Sheriff Joe's Toy is a Self Propelled Howitzer...
An M109 (Not Sure what Sub-Series) to be more precise...

 

[pftraining_in]

Sheriff Arpaio's Howitzer is a PR piece and all the markings are really there. They used an M1117 APC during the raid with Segal. .

 

[jeremy]

Thanks for the update.
How many Armored toys does a Sheriff need?!

 

[pftraining_in]

When it comes to PR he seems to not hold back. As far APCs, hard to say. Being on the boarder and the size of that county, I am sure he has a couple as do other agencies in the area.

As has been said, there is far more tracked armorer and artillery pieces in the hands of collectors than the police. If you can afford it and afford to feed it, go for it.

 

[level.eleven]

I've always been partial to "The Peacemaker".

Nothing says Peace Officer like a .50 cal.

 

[UncleMike]

When I say "police" I am not referring to individual officers buying things for themselves. I'm referring to the agencies.

It's f****** b******* that police departments are in any way permitted to buy ANYTHING that I am not allowed to buy.

And if you think it's okay, I hate your guts with an absolute passion from the bottom of my heart.

You inferiority complex is hanging out again.
Pull up your zipper next time....

 

[jeremy]

When it comes to PR he seems to not hold back. As far APCs, hard to say. Being on the boarder and the size of that county, I am sure he has a couple as do other agencies in the area.

As has been said, there is far more tracked armorer and artillery pieces in the hands of collectors than the police. If you can afford it and afford to feed it, go for it.

No worries...

When I get Bill Gates Rich I am going to have a Battalion of Abrams and a Battalion of Merkavas....

 

[jbombelli]

You inferiority complex is hanging out again.
Pull up your zipper next time....

What I said goes for you too.


Anybody that thinks it's just fine that we citizens aren't allowed the same firearms as the police is a feeble, lackluster excuse for a freedom-loving American. I have no respect for them, and I wouldn't urinate in their mouths if their stomachs were on fire.

 

[UncleMike]

What I said goes for you too.


Anybody that thinks it's just fine that we citizens aren't allowed the same firearms as the police is a feeble, lackluster excuse for a freedom-loving American. I have no respect for them, and I wouldn't urinate in their mouths if their stomachs were on fire.

You can buy anything that the LEO's can buy.
You just need the money.
If you don't have the money for those toys that's your fault.
So stop blaming others for your own failures in life!!!

 

[jeremy]

You can buy anything that the LEO's can buy.
You just need the money.

Yes and no....

I can buy everything that LEOs can purchase except what is bought under the Dept Letterhead...

 

[UncleMike]

Yes and no....

I can buy everything that LEOs can purchase except what is bought under the Dept Letterhead...

Yup!
That would be the stuff that Mr Clinton managed to take off the open market.
However any of the really expensive pre ban stuff can be bought if the right amount of money is presented.
I know of a couple of private security agencies that have some amazing armored vehicles outfitted with some really impressive firepower that they routinely sell to wealthy clients.
The only difference between me and them is the amount of money available to buy those items.

 

[MilitaryArms]

Now we have the NDAA that allows the government to use troops to police civilians. Whew, now we can stop militarizing our police! See, it all works out. There's no reason to be concerned... Comrade.

 

[MTC]

My only complaint is that the police can buy NEW machine guns at new machine gun prices, when I cannot. *I* have to pay out the nose for something that's over 25 years old. THAT should never have been permitted under ANY circumstances.

Agree. However, it is best that we keep in mind that this was done through law/statute, by those who make laws, in a place where laws are made. It is toward those that any anger should be focused, and on that location that our efforts be directed and channeled in order to rectify what should not have been permitted.

When I say "police" I am not referring to individual officers buying things for themselves. I'm referring to the agencies.

It's f****** b******* that police departments are in any way permitted to buy ANYTHING that I am not allowed to buy.

And if you think it's okay, I hate your guts with an absolute passion from the bottom of my heart.

While I agree with the part about it being BS, PDs being permitted to is usually done through statute, by those who make statutes, in a place where such are made.

I believe I have met this man during a training course. Though I didn't get a chance to sound out his views on RKBA issues (didn't seem appropriate given the time constraints) we had much in common regarding goals of training and application of skills.

If you can afford it and afford to feed it, go for it.

This is, for distant initial conversation between (all but) strangers, often as good as it gets.

Anybody that thinks it's just fine that we citizens aren't allowed the same firearms as the police is a feeble, lackluster excuse for a freedom-loving American. I have no respect for them, and I wouldn't urinate in their mouths if their stomachs were on fire.

While I appreciate your zeal and share the same - expressed differently - it is far more conducive to constructive dialogue when we have met others in person, if only briefly. Acknowledging that this is not always possible, it should be kept in mind that often police officers are not so different, yet are placed in positions and circumstances that might influence their viewpoints. We have less chance of seeing what they've seen, or knowing what they know, if we approach them in a hostile manner. It might be the case that we are polar opposites with irreconcilable differences, or it may turn out, as I've found on occasion, that we do adhere to the same basic tenets, with occasional caveats here and there. This is at least something to build on.

 

[Liberty Sanders]

When I was a shift commander I always went along when any of my men were "borrowed" for a drug raid.

I well remember the first time I saw our officers forcibly entering an American home while wearing black bags over their heads as if they were in the friggin' PLO or IRA.

That's when I knew that the "drug war" had destroyed the last vestige of the law enforcement profession that I knew.

I retired soon after.

 

[Liberty Sanders]

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...l_discussion/118937-ah_the_good_old_days.html

 

[thebishopp]

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...l_discussion/118937-ah_the_good_old_days.html

Read it.

You will find it near impossible to convince some of these younger (and even some of the older) leo's out there. I am still astounded at some of the comments I see on PoliceOne's forum everynowandagain.

 

[rambone]

Anybody that thinks it's just fine that we citizens aren't allowed the same firearms as the police is a feeble, lackluster excuse for a freedom-loving American. I have no respect for them, and I wouldn't urinate in their mouths if their stomachs were on fire.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ YUP!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^6

 

[KLB]

Yup!
That would be the stuff that Mr Clinton managed to take off the open market.
However any of the really expensive pre ban stuff can be bought if the right amount of money is presented.
I know of a couple of private security agencies that have some amazing armored vehicles outfitted with some really impressive firepower that they routinely sell to wealthy clients.
The only difference between me and them is the amount of money available to buy those items.

You mean Reagan? Automatic weapons were regulated in 1986.

 

[UncleMike]

You mean Reagan? Automatic weapons were regulated in 1986.

Yup...
My mistake.
I got my gun bans mixed up
Reagans biggest mistake.

 

[jbombelli]

Yup...
My mistake.
I got my gun bans mixed up
Reagans biggest mistake.

To be fair to Reagan, he was put between a rock and a hard place by Charlie Rangel. If he vetoed FOPA, everybody would be condemning him for that to this day. He signed it, including the '86 ban. And we all condemn him to this day for it.

The Hughes Amendment wouldn't have been there at all if not for the Democrats and Rangel in particular, and their efforts to sink FOPA. This put Reagan in an impossible situation - no matter what he did we were going to lose.

I blame Reagan, sure, but I blame him FAR less than I blame the Democratic Party.


But your prior contention in this thread that I can buy anything a police agency can buy is completely false. I CANNOT go out and buy a newly manufactured full-auto weapon. Money is not even an issue. I think you know that. But hey... go on out and try to buy yourself a NEW M249, under your own name, and let me know how that works out for you.